Do we need a new political party?

[ruserious]

http://www.jolitics.com/p/post/24/?g...FUYifAodO3vwMw

thats a page I found with people looking for the same thing, if anybody is seriously interested in creating a party then here's a good site to recruit from

Thanks but that is an economically liberal group which I am opposed to on the basis of the current mess. Regulation is a must for the financial sector imho

[BlackLion]

http://www.jolitics.com/p/post/24/?g...FUYifAodO3vwMw

thats a page I found with people looking for the same thing, if anybody is seriously interested in creating a party then here's a good site to recruit from

your avatar is FG, so is this site for a FG Astroturfing party?

[mermer]

I find it really bizarre that right-wing parties are being championed here. Don't we have enough already? Ireland is (since a study carried out in the 80s) more likely than any European country on average to identify as right-oriented but at the same time more likely to advocate a leftist equality / redistribution. The left-right distinction in Ireland is bizarre and has led to the country as a whole being described as a 'deviant case' in this respect. I think that there needs to be a serious development of some kind of pluralism in Irish politics - I mean, why aren't people interested in politics? Because the parties are largely the same. Though it is an exciting time in the sense that a range of new parties / movements are trying to establish themselves: Fis Nua, National Forum (scary), Second Republic, ULA, eirigi.

[mermer]

Mermer: Ireland is a classic post colonial state: two big tribes, FG and FF fighting over the spoils and otehr con merchants joining in.

The pre Adams Sinn Fein, nutters though they might have been, had an ideological point of principle about absentionism. Does any political party have a point of principle on anything?

I'm totally aware that the Irish independence movement was primarily a bourgeois revolution in which it was merely a change of the guard in an established system: we only have to look at the autocratic way in which Ireland was governed post-independence. I would be very much in favour of both FF and FG dropping of the map. I think the locus around which much of Irish politics revolves is still the past: it's so very, very depressing. This is obviously a post-colonial inheritance - when can it be surpassed?? We need a vibrant political culture - not one which clings to the vestiges of the independence movement. Just look at the way FF manipulates its status as the 'republican' party all the time: wolfe tone memorial etc, milking it!

[BlackLion]

Though it is an exciting time in the sense that a range of new parties / movements are trying to establish themselves: Fis Nua, National Forum (scary), Second Republic, ULA, eirigi.

in those parties there are Far-left and Far-right hacks that need to be given the boot.

the new parties are out there, but we shouldn't be fighting over what ideology is used to build the 2nd republic on. we should march to the dail throw the gobsh**es out and then let these new parties fight over how the new ireland is controlled. Direct Democracy is a must, anything else and we are just taking the old chains off the people and putting on our new ones.

[Toman13]

I find it really bizarre that right-wing parties are being championed here. Don't we have enough already? Ireland is (since a study carried out in the 80s) more likely than any European country on average to identify as right-oriented but at the same time more likely to advocate a leftist equality / redistribution. The left-right distinction in Ireland is bizarre and has led to the country as a whole being described as a 'deviant case' in this respect. I think that there needs to be a serious development of some kind of pluralism in Irish politics - I mean, why aren't people interested in politics? Because the parties are largely the same. Though it is an exciting time in the sense that a range of new parties / movements are trying to establish themselves: Fis Nua, National Forum (scary), Second Republic, ULA, eirigi.

So, Irish people are likely to be socially conservative but yet supports redistribution of wealth? Don't see the problem here.

[Kommunist]

No, we need a party with an ideology, no populist BS that has been circulating here since Day #1.

[zavi13]

I find it really bizarre that right-wing parties are being championed here. Don't we have enough already? Ireland is (since a study carried out in the 80s) more likely than any European country on average to identify as right-oriented but at the same time more likely to advocate a leftist equality / redistribution. The left-right distinction in Ireland is bizarre and has led to the country as a whole being described as a 'deviant case' in this respect. I think that there needs to be a serious development of some kind of pluralism in Irish politics - I mean, why aren't people interested in politics? Because the parties are largely the same. Though it is an exciting time in the sense that a range of new parties / movements are trying to establish themselves: Fis Nua, National Forum (scary), Second Republic, ULA, eirigi.

You've left out the IDP, who are possibly the most interesting of the new groups:
Join new political party Ireland - Irish Democratic Party (IDP) - Rebuild your Republic - politics Ireland

[IrishTom]

I find it really bizarre that right-wing parties are being championed here. Don't we have enough already? Ireland is (since a study carried out in the 80s) more likely than any European country on average to identify as right-oriented but at the same time more likely to advocate a leftist equality / redistribution. The left-right distinction in Ireland is bizarre and has led to the country as a whole being described as a 'deviant case' in this respect. I think that there needs to be a serious development of some kind of pluralism in Irish politics - I mean, why aren't people interested in politics? Because the parties are largely the same. Though it is an exciting time in the sense that a range of new parties / movements are trying to establish themselves: Fis Nua, National Forum (scary), Second Republic, ULA, eirigi.

Ireland does not have even one right of centre party.

[IrishTom]

You've left out the IDP, who are possibly the most interesting of the new groups:
Join new political party Ireland - Irish Democratic Party (IDP) - Rebuild your Republic - politics Ireland

Eh, no.