Who said Kenny has to be Taoiseach ?

[Sync]

Yes Sync, I know they voted for him. But not very enthusiastically.

Unless FG get an overall majority, my question is valid.

More than likely FG will be the majority party in a coalition after the next GE.

They will need the support of another party in the order of business to elect an FG Taoiseach.

I'm just proposing that it's not cut and dried.

And that party will more than likely be Labour, and they won't be in a position to dictate who stays or goes. It's not like in the UK where the Lib Dems could shop around and ask for Brown to go. Brown was hugely unpopular and the vote was very close. Here, the FF party is hugely unpopular. The PDs propped them up and disappeared. The Greens are propping them up and are going to be decimated. The pressure is not going to be on FG in the negotiations. Labour really don't have a choice. And if they walk away for any reason, it'll have to be to FF and that will see them destroyed.

[EvotingMachine0197]

And why don't you want him to be Taoiseach? simply because of his wooden interviews and his Mayo background. Personality politics playing it's part.

Who knows who may get elected in a directly elected Taoiseach election. No one would re-elect Cowen, Gilmore's satisfaction rating is going down while Kenny's is going up, so who really knows.

Kenny isn't a bad person. What you see as a person doesn't do justice what he may do as a Taoiseach.

Absolutely not.

If I have to have an FG Taoiseach, I'd rather Bruton or Varadkar.

I don't want a skilled politician leading this Country, I want a skilled chief executive.

But this is off topic. The thread is about Kenny's perceived automatic crownship.

Baron Von Biffo stated the point somewhat nicely on page one.

[goatstoe]

And why don't you want him to be Taoiseach? simply because of his wooden interviews and his Mayo background. Personality politics playing it's part.

Who knows who may get elected in a directly elected Taoiseach election. No one would re-elect Cowen, Gilmore's satisfaction rating is going down while Kenny's is going up, so who really knows.

Kenny isn't a bad person. What you see as a person doesn't do justice what he may do as a Taoiseach.

When is the next heave against Enda due?

[Baron von Biffo]

YThey will need the support of another party in the order of business to elect an FG Taoiseach.

What would happen if FF, knowing they wont be in government, supported Gilmore for the top job? FG could hardly refuse to form a government under the person the Dail had elected Taoiseach.

[EvotingMachine0197]

Can a moderator please get rid of this thread. It's pointless.

Two chances of that happening !

Is it 'pointless' because you don't like it ?

[Baron von Biffo]

You mean if they come through with the largest vote and with the most seats in the Dail (with Kenny as leader) you think that people will approve Labour demanding his head???

How on Earth did you get to that?

[EvotingMachine0197]

And that party will more than likely be Labour, and they won't be in a position to dictate who stays or goes. It's not like in the UK where the Lib Dems could shop around and ask for Brown to go. Brown was hugely unpopular and the vote was very close. Here, the FF party is hugely unpopular. The PDs propped them up and disappeared. The Greens are propping them up and are going to be decimated. The pressure is not going to be on FG in the negotiations. Labour really don't have a choice. And if they walk away for any reason, it'll have to be to FF and that will see them destroyed.

That's all nonsense Sync.

FF had 77 (I think) seats after 2007 and they didn't dictate. Parties don't dictate to anyone unless they win 83 seats, then they don't even need to talk.

Parties negotiate.

Labour always have the option of staying in opposition.

[john moriarty]

..Kenny's going to be a chairman, not a chief.

Don't remember that
as some clever strategy
from the off though. i.e.
after a bunch of not good
polls showing Kenny up as
someone who'd essentially
risen without trace?

[EvotingMachine0197]

What would happen if FF, knowing they wont be in government, supported Gilmore for the top job? FG could hardly refuse to form a government under the person the Dail had elected Taoiseach.

I don't know. And that's after thinking about it for 5 minutes.

Presumably it would be in essence a FF+LAB Gov. in which case FF would be looking for the Taoiseach. So it would never happen I think ...

[hiding behind a poster]

But that said, FF isn't the only option Lab will have. They can offer conditional support for a minority FG government or they can say that there isn't enough common ground to form a government with either of the bigger parties.

The next Dail is Kenny's last chance, it will see him as Taoiseach or toast. If he blows it, particularly if he gets a significant seat boost, he's finished and he'll bring FG down with him.

You still banging on about this? You keep saying "if Kenny blows it", while continually ignoring the fact that never in the history of the State have 2 parties, with sufficient seat numbers to form a government, commenced negotiations and failed to do precisely that. Now, why is it that you keep thinking it'll be any different this time?

As for your minority government nonsense, that won't happen either. It would be impossible to govern in those circumstances (plus there's no benefit for Labour), so there would be a second election immediately. And Labour would suffer, as has been outlined on other threads. FG would go to anti-FF voters with the argument that Labour either aren't serious about being in government at all, or are looking for excuses to go in with FF. So Labour would suffer from association with FF on one hand, and irrelevance on the other.

Basically you're suggesting that Labour should write a suicide note for themselves.