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    Would have thought it was more like 99.9%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Now, let's look again at what I said (and didn't say):See? I was saying what they should do - not necessarily what they are doing. And in any case, what proof have you that none of them are motivated in opposing the IRP Bill by concerns about future income opportunities? If it's okay to make such allegations in relation to the publican lobby then that applies to the barrister-lobby too.
    No, you made it very clear that you think there are barristers in Leinster House who are putting their own bank balances ahead of their duty as legislators. And when challenged on this, you refuse to name any.

    Why won't you name any barristers in Leinster House who are more interested in gaining income from free legal aid for asylum seekers than in carrying out their legislative duties, FutureTaoiseach?

    Is it because you know that telling lies about people that damage their reputations is libellous?

    If not, then name them. There's 166 TDs, and some of them are barristers. Which ones are you referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    I'm not against foreigners. I am against us taking in numbers that we cannot provide for economically, culturally and infrastructurally. It's nothing personal. The fact that it is not the fault of these immigrants (except those who come illegally and spend 4 years wasting taxpayers money on endless appeals) does not alter the fact that a country that cannot even provide for its own can hardly be expected to be in a position to do so for unlimited numbers of others.
    I don't fall for your usual "I'm not a racist but... " rhetoric FT. The only person who spends more time on anti-immigrant threads than you is Catalpa. Unlike him you might be too polite to be comfortable on Stormfront but you're cut from the same cloth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi019 View Post
    Similar in Canada.

    The truth about immigration is that costs exceed benefits
    The same could be said of the health service. Should we abolish that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTipperaryMan View Post
    Personally I think the influx of immigrants has improved the gene pool.

    The most friendly most beautiful most glamorous and well dressed women you can meet in Dublin on a night out are foreign women - Eastern Europeans are my personal favourite especially Lativians who are the most beautiful women in world.

    Irish girls are fat, ugly, body concious, alcoholic and miserable.
    You are a complete and utter disgusting human being... The Nazis believed in Ayran Eugenics and those Irish who think that their fellow Irish are genetically inferior are not worthy of being called human. Nazi's encouraged all Germans to marry ayrans.

    If you haven't noticed... the best looking Eastern European Women are actually still in their own countries, I know because I was in Poland 4 months ago for a batchelor weekend... The Tour Guide was the image of an Angel and had a lovely nature.

    We got the rejects..... the only goodlooking ones here mainly avoid irish men and prefer their own men.

    The only fat, ugly, alcoholic, body conscious miserable Irish women you describe are from that hón of a place you come from.

    Lastly how dare you insult the Beauties that hail from Ulster, Connacht, Leinster and Munster!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    I don't fall for your usual "I'm not a racist but... " rhetoric FT. The only person who spends more time on anti-immigrant threads than you is Catalpa. Unlike him you might be too polite to be comfortable on Stormfront but you're cut from the same cloth.
    I am not anti-immigrant. I am not a zero-immigration person, but I am adamantly opposed to the open-door policy and the failure to enforce control of our borders with respect to illegal-immigration. I am not a racist and you know that well. You are just part of the PC-brigade that wants to silence debate on immigration. There are many vested interests that stand to lose from a debate on immigration, notably landlords that own asylum-hostels or are exploiters of cheap labour, and elements of the legal-profession making money from the free legal-aid for asylum appeals. Charity begins at home, and the wider good of society has to come before generosity to others at our own expense. We must cut our cloth to meet our measure. I am strongly anti-racist but also anti reverse-racism against the Irish.
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    No, you made it very clear that you think there are barristers in Leinster House who are putting their own bank balances ahead of their duty as legislators. And when challenged on this, you refuse to name any.

    Why won't you name any barristers in Leinster House who are more interested in gaining income from free legal aid for asylum seekers than in carrying out their legislative duties, FutureTaoiseach?
    I quoted what I posted to you. I never accused anyone in Leinster House of putting their bank balances first. I simply said that they should not put potential earnings from asylum first. Potential refers to what is possible in the future. In other words, I was stating what the barristers in Leinster House should not do - not what they are necessarily doing.
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    "No room at the inn", move on now please... nothing for you here,
    Religious metaphors are unhelpful in this debate.
    In the UK during the 1970's there were signs, "no blacks, no dogs, and no Irish", how far we've come...
    I am not advocating such a message or policy. I don't care about skin colour. I do not consider immigrants to be "dogs". This is a question of the population the country can cope with. Look at the floods in Cork. Mass-immigration policies stimulated reckless residential development that played a role in exaxerbating the humanitarian situation in emergencies like these. That is not the fault of legal-immigrants. But it does underline the need for a more restrictive policy.

    It does neither the Irish nor the non-Irish good if the economy, social-welfare system, health-service or education system cannot provide for all legally resident in the State and entitled to those services. Having bottlenecks in the provision of public-services and competition for jobs that aren't there only risks increasing racism. Part of preventing a rise in racism, then, is a more restrictive system with respect to immigration. For evidence of my arguments, look at France. Why has the National Front vote halved? Because Sarkozy has learned the lesson that there is a need to get tough on illegal immigration, and to ensure assimilation and integration. In doing so, he is making France a less racist place, by addressing legitimate concerns instead of abandoning the immigration-issue to the Far Right.
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    As usual we will get it wrong. If the wishes of the majority were to be respected, who would Irish people then have to look down on? We got our wishes regarding the Celtic Tiger, just another good thing that came along that we could screw up. We benefited from being part of Europe just long enough to bite the hand that had fed us for a number of years, by voting against it.

    I just hope that other countries don't adopt the same stance and send all of the Irish diaspora back to where we came from. Then we could really talk about not having the means to cater for the disaster we had created.

    The attitudes of the under educated, jobless and other back-of-the-beyond mentalities are in some cases understandable, however, how anyone with an ounce of intelligence could come out in support of their point of view is "sans commentare"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJONLINE View Post
    As usual we will get it wrong. If the wishes of the majority were to be respected, who would Irish people then have to look down on? We got our wishes regarding the Celtic Tiger, just another good thing that came along that we could screw up. We benefited from being part of Europe just long enough to bite the hand that had fed us for a number of years, by voting against it.

    I just hope that other countries don't adopt the same stance and send all of the Irish diaspora back to where we came from. Then we could really talk about not having the means to cater for the disaster we had created.

    The attitudes of the under educated, jobless and other back-of-the-beyond mentalities are in some cases understandable, however, how anyone with an ounce of intelligence could come out in support of their point of view is "sans commentare"
    Noone is talking about deporting entire ethnic-groups from Ireland. I want the illegals removed, and I respect the right of other countries to control their borders too. Respect for the people's sovereignty is an important republican principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    I am not anti-immigrant. I am not a zero-immigration person, but I am adamantly opposed to the open-door policy and the failure to enforce control of our borders with respect to illegal-immigration. I am not a racist and you know that well. You are just part of the PC-brigade that wants to silence debate on immigration. There are many vested interests that stand to lose from a debate on immigration, notably landlords that own asylum-hostels or are exploiters of cheap labour, and elements of the legal-profession making money from the free legal-aid for asylum appeals. Charity begins at home, and the wider good of society has to come before generosity to others at our own expense. We must cut our cloth to meet our measure. I am strongly anti-racist but also anti reverse-racism against the Irish.
    You may claim that you are not a racist, which is your right,which I don't believe btw.. but you certainly are a "Cad".....

    "Charity begins at home", I have heard this from people that wouldn't know shyte from cake, and my list is now one line longer... vested interests, I'm a landlord and immigrants simply couldn't afford to rent one of my properties....

    You love the sound of your own voice........

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Look at the floods in Cork. Mass-immigration policies stimulated reckless residential development that played a role in exaxerbating the humanitarian situation in emergencies like these. That is not the fault of legal-immigrants. But it does underline the need for a more restrictive policy.
    Let's knock this one on the head immediately. The area on the west side of the dam, fed by a large section of west Cork's feeder rivers and streams, was where the build-up that had to be released came from. Housing estates full of immigrants do not exist there (though loads of one-offs built by farmers do). On the east side, where the flood was released to, the only area of the river that's very different to ten years ago is the Ballincollig area, and I doubt that has anything to do with the flooding, or that those new estates are full of immigrants either. More relevant was the decision by the ESB, against expert advice, to stop draining the reservoirs during the week before the flood in order to aid the river search for a young fellow from West Cork who went missing in Cork City. Again, I'm pretty sure that immigration had no effect on that decision. So it does not underline the need for a more restrictive policy in relation to immigration in any way, shape, or form. The responsibility of immigration for the handball by Henry last Wednesday, however, well that's still up for debate...

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