Poll: 72% want reduction in immigrant numbers

[factual]

Extract of the poll in the Irish Times. This shows that it is time for the Irish govt and the folks in Leinster House to start getting tough on this issue. In particular, they must deport failed asylum seekers without delay. The views of Mayor Kiely were clearly not those of an extreme minority, but rather those of the majority of Irish people:More breakdown on this aspect of the poll:

I doubt if this poll is accurate. The Irish people welcome immigrants and immigrants have been great for generating a more culturally diverse, progressive, internationalist outlook in our nation. I very much agree with Gerry Adams when he stated that "all [immigrants] are welcome to stay, whether they have been here 4 months or 400 years" (a time span that indicates he believes six county protestants are to be warmly embraced too).

[clonycavanman]

Thank you young people, for showing some independent thought.
Young people, low skills, seeking part-time work while they get an education, are particularly losing out in labour competition with adult, willing, obedient staff and have correctly perceived that flooding our economy with large numbers of unskilled foreign nationals is not in their interests.

But, it is also not in the interest of Irish society that our young people ; live on the dole, avoid the culture of work, do not, in their youth, work alongside the working class experiencing petty (or good) management practices from the unskilled worker's perspective, and avoid the reality-check of what real jobs in the real economy are like.
Jobs for school-leavers and part-time jobs for students are a national resource, and should not be squandered. These are the arenas in which our young people make the transition to adult life, experience discipline and consequences, the need for cooperation and compromise, and often inform their career choices.
Helping our next generation to have successful careers should be a major, clear-sighted , owned by all, aim of our society.

It's become fashionable to mock the Chinese Cultural Revolution, but they perceived one thing correctly. Students in China had become used to lives of idleness and confident expectation of priviledge, and the Cultural Revolution, learning from capitalism perhaps, sent them in their summer holidays off to the fields to work and experience some real life. Irish society should not be content with less. 'Let us push the capitalists to the ground!'

[Chi019]

doubt if this poll is accurate. The Irish people welcome immigrants and immigrants have been great for generating a more culturally diverse, progressive, internationalist outlook in our nation.

It seems consistent with most polls about immigration - internationally people tend to be against changing the demographic makeup of their countries & having their cultures marginalised.

If you can find a poll showing a country where the majority want to increase immigration I'd like to see it.

[MrFunkyBoogaloo]

Thank you young people, for showing some independent thought.
[COLOR=red](1)[/COLOR]Young people, low skills, seeking part-time work while they get an education, are particularly losing out in labour competition with adult, willing, obedient staff and have correctly perceived that flooding our economy with large numbers of unskilled foreign nationals is not in their interests.

But, it is also not in the interest of Irish society that our young people ; live on the dole, avoid the culture of work, [COLOR=red](2)[/COLOR]do not, in their youth, work alongside the working class experiencing petty (or good) management practices from the unskilled worker's perspective, and avoid the reality-check of what real jobs in the real economy are like.
[COLOR=red](3)[/COLOR]Jobs for school-leavers and part-time jobs for students are a national resource, and should not be squandered. These are the arenas in which our young people make the transition to adult life, experience discipline and consequences, the need for cooperation and compromise, and often inform their career choices.
Helping our next generation to have successful careers should be a major, clear-sighted , owned by all, aim of our society.

It's become fashionable to mock the Chinese Cultural Revolution, but they perceived one thing correctly. Students in China had become used to lives of idleness and confident expectation of priviledge, and the Cultural Revolution, learning from capitalism perhaps, sent them in their summer holidays off to the fields to work and experience some real life. Irish society should not be content with less. 'Let us push the capitalists to the ground!'

[COLOR=#ff0000](1)[/COLOR]the same immigrants (those employed, a majority i expect), whose taxes paid for the same education? Who served them at McDonalds, cleaned their classrooms, minded children while parents went to work, spent money in the economy etc etc etc... These weren't in their interests? Get real!

[COLOR=#ff0000](2)[/COLOR]What the hell is this all about? First you say that unskilled jobs are a national resource, then counter this by saying that young people shouldn't work alongside the working classes in these unskilled jobs because they (the working class) have poor (or good) management practices that don't reflect jobs in the real economy!?!?! NEWSFLASH... Money talks in the real economy, not management practices!

[COLOR=#ff0000](3)[/COLOR]How about just Jobs for a start? Whether they're full-time, part-time, student, adult, skilled, unskilled, national or immigrant. It all helps the real economy. That is not to say that what you suggest is a bad idea btw... but how are they being squandered?

[Telemachus]

Here's a good place to start in reducing the number:

TAXI DRIVER CONVICTED FOR ASSAULT ON DRIVER
November 24, 2009 - 5:24pm
TAXI DRIVER CONVICTED FOR ASSAULT ON DRIVER | Galway Bay FM | galwaynews.ie

A Nigerian taxi driver who punched a female taxi driver in the face has been convicted of assault and fined 800 euro.

40 year old Collins Festus Anieke of 98 Fearann Rí, Doughiska, denied assaulting Mary Butler-Walsh at the Bus Eireann station, Fairgreen, on September 26 last year

800euro fine - a bloody joke, deportation is what should have happened. Taxi could have been confiscated to pay for the ticket. If this was Japan or China this would have been the case, but after a stern prison sentence.

[Casualbets]

Personally, I've no problems with the Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians or even the nigerians...

But Ivana Bacik should be fecked on the next plane....

[FutureTaoiseach]

One thing is certain: All non-EU migrants engaged in violent crime or serious fraud should be deported after serving their sentences. Enda Kenny suggested something similar before the last election (I think the 'Celtic and Christian country' speech). Is this still FG policy? If so it would be a plus for me. Such criminals have outstayed their welcome in this country. If you allow someone to live in your house and you catch them stealing from the kitty, what do you do? Give them another chance? Hardly. So it should be with Ireland. We have become way too soft in this country. We are a doormat nation that lets others walk all over us - whether it's the EU or foreign-nationals engaged in criminality (which I accept constitute a minority of foreign nationals).

I doubt if this poll is accurate. The Irish people welcome immigrants and immigrants have been great for generating a more culturally diverse, progressive, internationalist outlook in our nation. I very much agree with Gerry Adams when he stated that "all [immigrants] are welcome to stay, whether they have been here 4 months or 400 years" (a time span that indicates he believes six county protestants are to be warmly embraced too).

Well it is accurate. It reflects what most polls have shown time and again on immigration, including the 70%+ who agreed with Pat Rabbitte's remarks after the Irish Ferries dispute. And Gerry Adams is wrong. The partition of Ireland resulted from the mass-influx of 400 years ago after all. Excessive internationalism by our politicians contributed to the recession, as low ECB interest rates and mass-immigration from the Accession states fueled the property-bubble. We have neglected our domestic problems, such as the health-service, for the sake of being nice to foreign countries.

[Albert Aherne]

I've no great problem with sending immigrants home (if it were legally correct ,which it isn't) once we accept that other countries have the same right,(especially the UK and the US )to send countless hundreds of thousands of Irish people back here.
Isn't this universal dark aspect of humanity,(to turn on the "different" ones amongst us) really depressing?

[FutureTaoiseach]

I've no great problem with sending immigrants home (if it were legally correct ,which it isn't) once we accept that other countries have the same right,(especially the UK and the US )to send countless hundreds of thousands of Irish people back here.
Isn't this universal dark aspect of humanity,(to turn on the "different" ones amongst us) really depressing?

The difference isn't the main issue. The main issue is the absorption-capacity of the country - economically, infrastructurally, culturally and socially. Take off the PC-blinkers AA.

We have the legal and moral right to deport illegal-immigrants. And yes - I do accept that a corresponding right exists for the American and other govts aswell. I have little sympathy for those who create their own mess by illegally entering other countries. They knew what they were getting themselves into. I do not fully support the support of Dail parties for an amnesty for Irish illegals in America. It only plays into the hands of the pro-amnesty forces in Ireland with respect to bogus asylum-seekers in Ireland.

[marmurr1916]

And isn't it a shame that Ireland's immigration and asylum policy will be decided in Brussels rather than Dublin [QMV as opposed to Unanimity] now that Lisbon has been passed by the sheeple

Yet more disrespect for the Irish people.

BTW, Ireland has opted-out of the Lisbon provisions on immigration and asylum...