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About LinkBacksi see Dr Ed Walsh's comments re teachers pay etc- i wonder if on bord snip should have a look at the medical school at UL on a cost/benifit analysis-i think there were alreadt schools in Galway and Cork and this was seen as a vanity project for UL
i see Dr Ed Walsh's comments re teachers pay etc- i wonder if on bord snip should have a look at the medical school at UL on a cost/benifit analysis-i think there were alreadt schools in Galway and Cork and this was seen as a vanity project for UL
Throughout the boom Ireland trained more lawyers (about twice as many per year) as doctors. We train more foreign doctors than Irish doctors.Originally Posted by river
Lo-and-behold, after 10 years of that the country is a mess.
We need the medical school.
Not if Irish workers are subsidizing medical students who will graduate and go to UK, USA etc.
We need to set up a system whereby medical graduates are forced to either practise in Ireland for a certain time (prefereably in areas of socioeconomic deprivation) or else reimburse the vast subsidies they received.
Of course that would require common sense and planning, something Fianna Fail the Mad Immigration Party is incapable of.
Thats not the point -i'm sure it would be cheaper to expand the existing schools
The existing schools are all undergraduate. This is a post graduate medical collage - the first in Ireland.
Anyway - it is up and running - the money has been spent. It wouldn't be cheaper to close it.
It would probably be wise to first ask why the existing medical schools train more foreigners than irish students.
Because the foreigners pay money (€20,000 a year non EU fees) to study in Irish medical schools, and Irish people don't. Foreign students are subsidising Irish students.
It is clear that Fianna Fail the Mad Immigration party has made a mess of medical training, as they done of everything else.
If you go to an A & E the chances are ten to one that you'll be treated by a foreign doctor. Where are the Irish doctors?
Some of the foreign doctors are fine, but there is already a mountain of evidence that some of them are unfit to practise.
Back to topic: this is a vanity project and typical of the way things are done. It should be abandoned. Save on the staffing and terminate contracts. Likewise demands for university status for the south east should be binned. Likewise duplication of courses which could be catered for in one or two centres should should be scrapped. Funding controls need to be specific for 3rd level colleges. Don't get me started on the celebrity professor.
why is the number of irish medical school places caped?
The money raised from fee-paying foreign medical students is a foolish economy; and could easily be recooped from funds currently wasted in the HSE, and then invested in the training of more medical students; to the long-term benefit of ill Irish people.
This quota of places for fee-paying foreign students should be abolished immediately so that Irish students who have the ability to train as doctors, are not obliged to go abroad, (often with the result that their talents are lost to this country forever). ( Digression. We will not build a smart economy, by exporting our more able students!)
At present, for some students, entry to a medical school in Ireland depends upon ability to pay a 20,000 Euro fee ( which in practice does not cover all the costs of the training -notoriously difficult to establish accurately when hospital costs, clinical doctors' time and provision of clinical exams, marking etc are rarely counted in the University's actual fees). Why, why, why is the Irish taxpayer subsidising this?
The patience of 'unsuccessful' Irish medical school applicants, their parents (who helped them to get the primary and seconday education required, and who wave them off on the boat to somewhere else) and their potential patients has been long; and fully taken advantage of...and should now END.
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