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[QUOTE=Proposition Joe;1777200]
"Sure they pay tax. No more and no less that anyone else. The paying of tax by one's co-religionists does not imply a right to religious control over state-funded services."
Yes, it does - if the parents want it.
"None of the above have any right to use state funds to further the indoctrination of children in whatever belief system they hold."
Yes, they do - if the parents want it.
"If I wanted to indocrinate children in the mysterious power of the flying spaggetti monster, I couldn't expect the exchequer to fund me in that endevour."
Yes, you could - if you can get enough pupils for a viable school.
"He wants to remove the State subvention to instuitions that facilitated and covered up the abuse of children. Simple as."
Not true. He has made it clear he want Catholic schools taken over by the State - and has offered no guarantees that Catholic pupils and teachers would be safe in State run schools.
"Zero percent, given the fact that I paid more in stamp duty on the house than I'll ever get back tax in mortgage tax relief."
I do not believe you.
[QUOTE=corelli;1777054]
"Well, if the State should not be allowed have a monopoly, why should the Catholic Church, which they effectively do."
It does not have a monopoly. There are Protestant schools, a few Muslim schools, Educate To-gether schools, and Irish Language schools. If people want more non-Catholic schools, they can establish such schools - without interfering with ours.
effectively |ɪˈfɛktɪvli|Originally Posted by Glennshane
adverb
in such a manner as to achieve a desired result : make sure that resources are used effectively.
• [ sentence adverb ] actually but not officially or explicitly : they were effectively controlled by the people they were supposed to be investigating.
• [ sentence adverb ] the real fact or implication is that; in practice : effectively, this means that companies will be able to avoid regulations.
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You've hit the nail on the head there, unintentionally of course.
Have you any idea how little the typical parent of primary age children cares for all that nonsense?
For almost everyone I know of my generation, the Church provides a convenient setting for christenings, marriages and funerals. A bit of theatre to warm up for the piss-up to follow. And that's it. The church lost its strangle-hold on the people long ago. Wake up and smell the coffee, would ya!
Safe?
The over-riding threat to the childrens' safety is the access to them by predatory priests that's afforded by religious schools.
Remove the priests/brothers/nuns from the equation and much of the danger goes away.
Hmmm, clearly Glenshane you are as ignorant of the stamp duty regime in Republic as you are of many other aspects of the governance of this State. 9% stamp duty versus 75 euros a month in tax relief, soon to go as the last budget introduced a 7 year limit on mortgage interest tax relief. You do the math.
[QUOTE=Proposition Joe;1778342]
"Have you any idea how little the typical parent of primary age children cares for all that nonsense?"
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If you and others think there is a market for non-Catholic education, please establish non-Catholic schools and the best of British (or should I say, Irish) luck to you. The more non-Catholic schools there are, the less non-Catholics will infiltrate our schools.
"The church lost its strangle-hold on the people long ago. Wake up and smell the coffee, would ya!"
The Catholic Church never had a strangle-hold on Irish people. The Eire war of independence was fought in the teeth of church denunciation. Eire Catholics are like Ulster Catholics. When they decide that a certain course of action is in their interests, they, nice people that they are, allow their clergy to lead them. If the Catholic bishops of Eire were to launch a campaign to "Keep Eire Catholic, keep Eire white" would they really have no influence?
"The over-riding threat to the childrens' safety is the access to them by predatory priests that's afforded by religious schools."
Not true. There are very few Catholic priests teaching in Catholic schools. And this number is likely to decline even more. Moreover, how many cases of sex abuse have invoved a child molested by his/her teacher who was also a priest? Lay teachers, especially gay teachers, are also quite good at sexually molesting their pupils. Can you guarantee that no anti-Catholic teacher would bully the children of practising Catholics?
"Remove the priests/brothers/nuns from the equation and much of the danger goes away."
They already are gone but a new danger looms - from anti-Catholics in the teaching profession.
[QUOTE=aggressivesecularist;1778224]
"Thank you Glennshane for bringing this thread back to the subject at hand and away from the niceties of catholic canon law as it applies to the mass."
Eirefolk do tend to wander off subject.
"The catholic church have an effective monopoly of the Irish education system. What's more, it's one that is not in any way justified by the preferences of parents or children."
That being so, please do something about it and stop trying to steal our property.
It's an historical relic that needs to be removed.
Like the law of Northern Ireland which gives the Protestant Churches the statutory right to appoint 50% of the voting members of the Board of Governors of all State schools - even of schools all of whose pupils are the children of Catholics.
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I'm sure any attempt to make schools multi/non demoninational schools would be resisted by a majority of hypocrites who don't bother practicing their religion or following Church doctorine but would insist that little johnny has his communion and confirmation prep on school time not their own.
However, an immediate change (which would cost very little) is to remove the exemptions schools recieve from the Equality Act on the basis of maintaining an "ethos". State funded schools should not be permitted to discriminate against children, or teachers.
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