Teachers Pay

[ellie08]

You obviously feel 'entitled' to comment on the teachers' conditions of employment - you did say that the pay was too much for the hours and days worked.

Have you tried reading posting in full before commenting? Have you tried reading your own contributions before posting them? I know how easy it is to make mistakes / typing errors etc. but having allowed for this, I still have difficulty understanding some of your postings (see first sentence above). It may be my fault, of course.

If you read Wilbur's insults you would understand (imbecile, sub-intellectual were some of the words used). He was wondering how I had a child and was a student, implying I was making it up . Anyone can comment on teacher's pay. I said I did three days subbing and was very happy with the pay. And hon you need not make allowances for my spelling and if you have difficulty understanding me I don't really care to be honest. Perhaps you should read the wretched one's appallingly rude personal insults - if you did you would get what I was saying.

[uriah]

The pay for substitute teachers is fantastic. Did three days and it was brilliant! When I'm qualified it'll be double. I got paid nearly 400 e for 15 hours work. Double if I was finished my degree. Please don't bleat on about bad pay and all you do. I worked in the private sector with 4 measly weeks off a year and after years there was not receiving that kind of money.

So you pretended to be a teacher (shame on the school which inflicted an un-qualified person on innocent children who were sent to school to be educated by a teacher) and were paid 'nearly €400 for fifteen hours'.
Obviously, you didn't do any preparation whatsoever - how did you manage to walk into a class and 'teach' without preparing your lessons?

Do you masquerade as hairdresser, nurse, lawer or dentist at all? Pay might be even better and if you can pose as a professional you might not even need to finish your degree! (Come to think of it, have you considerd acting as a career?)

What were you pretending to be when you worked in the private sector?


P.S. (1) Once again - READ the posting. I didn't mention your spellings.
(2) You say "and if you have difficulty understanding me I don't really care to be honest" Don't you think that it is important that we understand each
other? Hope this attitude improves before you become a real teacher when your communication skills will be crucial.

[ellie08]

So you pretended to be a teacher (shame on the school which inflicted an un-qualified person on innocent children who were sent to school to be educated by a teacher) and were paid 'nearly €400 for fifteen hours'.
Obviously, you didn't do any preparation whatsoever - how did you manage to walk into a class and 'teach' without preparing your lessons?

Do you masquerade as hairdresser, nurse, lawer or dentist at all? Pay might be even better and if you can pose as a professional you might not even need to finish your degree! (Come to think of it, have you considerd acting as a career?)

What were you pretending to be when you worked in the private sector?

I think your suggestions are just a wee bit over the top there pet. I suggest with an attitude like yours you may be better suited to a job where you don't have contact with people, or do you just save your vitriol for after your (ahem) long day at work?
I'm a trainee teacher and was asked to sub by the teacher in the school. Why do you get so bitter because I was pleased with the 379e or so I got for 3 days teaching. I always try to look at the positives - I suggest you try it sometimes Mr. urine - oops another typo!

[uriah]

I think your suggestions are just a wee bit over the top there pet. I suggest with an attitude like yours you may be better suited to a job where you don't have contact with people, or do you just save your vitriol for after your (ahem) long day at work?
I'm a trainee teacher and was asked to sub by the teacher in the school. Why do you get so bitter because I was pleased with the 379e or so I got for 3 days teaching. I always try to look at the positives - I suggest you try it sometimes Mr. urine - oops another typo!

'vitriol'? 'bitter'? Do you know the meaning of these words? Please give examples of either in my posting.
Then explain why you think it is acceptable to pretend to be a teacher.

Important to remember that you got €379 for PRETENDING to be a teacher.

[ellie08]

'vitriol'? 'bitter'? Do you know the meaning of these words? Please give examples of either in my posting.
Then explain why you think it is acceptable to pretend to be a teacher.

You are indeed sad. Sounds like you don't enjoy your job too much if you spend your time writing rubbish about someone you don't even know. 'Explain why you think it is acceptable to pretend to be a teacher' - jeez. If you don't believe me what's the point in my explaining anything. I give up.

[uriah]

You are indeed sad. Sounds like you don't enjoy your job too much if you spend your time writing rubbish about someone you don't even know. 'Explain why you think it is acceptable to pretend to be a teacher', jeez. I give up.

I think you misunderstand my point. You say you are a trainee teacher and I accept that. I believe you.

However, you also stated that you went into a school for three days and 'taught' a class. This is the pretence to which I refer.
I BELIEVE that you did this.
You PRETENDED to be a teacher. (Which you are not - yet)
Do you think this is good practice? Do you think it is acceptable?

[ellie08]

You stated that you went into a school for three days and 'taught' a class. You PRETENDED to be a teacher. Do you think this is good practice? Do you think it is acceptable?

Ok last time. I was asked by the school to sub - they know I am a b.ed student. You'd have to talk to them if you think I was PRETENDING, I'm sure they'd like your attitude toward student teachers. You are quite annoying honey. Hopefully you got it this time. Now chill out and enjoy the afternoon!

[uriah]

Ok last time. I was asked by the school to sub - they know I am a b.ed student. You'd have to talk to them if you think I was PRETENDING, I'm sure they'd like your attitude toward student teachers. You are quite annoying honey. Hopefully you got it this time. Now chill out and enjoy the afternoon!

If I knew who THEY were, I'd report them for employing an unqualified person to 'teach' children.
My 'attitude' to student teachers? What on earth do you mean? I think student teachers should study and prepare for their chosen profession. I do not think thy should be put in charge of a class as they are not qualified and should not be given that responsibility.. You do understand the difference between student teacher and qualified teacher, don't you?

Have you ever tried addressing the legitimate points made by another in this forum (preferably without the 'honey' and 'pet' etc.) You were the one who was doing the pretending and accepting the payment - don't you take any responsibility for your own actions?

I hope that when you qualify as a teacher and get work in the profession, you will not tolerate the employment of unqualified personnel to 'teach' children in the school where you work.

[Proposition Joe]

You stated that you went into a school for three days and 'taught' a class. You PRETENDED to be a teacher. Do you think this is good practice? Do you think it is acceptable?

Why are you impugning some sort of fraud in this case?

Its accepted practice that unqualified substitute teachers are employed to cover short absences when a qualified alternative isn't available. Accepted that is, by both unions and management. The absolute minimum requirement for primary is actually just a leaving cert with a D in Gaeilge.

In fact up to recently there were nearly 1000 unqualified teachers in full-time positions, never mind sub'ing.

[uriah]

Why are you impugning some sort of fraud in this case?

Its accepted practice that unqualified substitute teachers are employed to cover short absences when a qualified alternative isn't available. Accepted that is, by both unions and management. The absolute minimum requirement for primary is actually just a leaving cert with a D in Gaeilge.

In fact up to recently there were nearly 1000 unqualified teachers in full-time positions, never mind sub'ing.

.What's an "unqualified" teacher?
I'm an 'unqualified' butcher /doctor / barber