Teachers Pay

[wretchedwilbur]

Wilbur, your own posts range from the decidedly toungue-in-cheek to the outright bizarre.

Odd that you feel the need to lambast Ellie with a madey-uppy insult like "sub-intellectual" after she strayed off-message on the pay issue.

Of course the pay rates seem generous to someone still in training. Everyone feels like a king (or queen) when they get their first real pay packet.

Remember this is a discussion site, not a classroom. You're addressing other adults, so try to jolt yourself out of talking-down-to-teenagers mode. Please stop trying to supress any opinion that differs from your own, or the union orthodoxy. By all means, argue the issue on its merits, but there's no need to resort to bullying or "swarm tactics" against an individual.

And demanding personal, identifying information that may be professionally damaging to another poster is way off-limits.

Proposition Joe
- "sub-intellectual" is just a word - totally pejorative to indicate a dismissive view of somebody's argument - it's not a sneaky "madey-uppey" (!!) word.

- the relevance of your king/queen metaphor totally escapes me

- you maintain that this is a discussion site suggesting that there are inherent rules of engagement - then proceed to rebuke my "orthodoxy" cheerfully unaware of the incongruity

- Ellie has been "bullying" other posters in her facile manner over the last few weeks - I refer you to her posts - but she is a damsel-in-distress and across the plain gallops Sir Joe her noble knight-errant.

-when I joined PI what struck me most was the level of vitriol contained in many posts - members posted each other in terms of rage and utter contempt - to "argue the issue on its merits" seemed very much a discretionary option

-I did not seek "personal identifying information" - Ellie keeps reminding us that she is a trainee-teacher (and , bizarrely , that she has a child ) - so where do I seek personal knowledge of her ? If you are half the gallant knight you think you are you will apologise for this unfounded imputation. To know that I live far from her is all the reassurance I need.

Above all I dislike your condescending tone - I am gravely disappointed in you.

[Pip]

To true mate - Don't forget their are people who would swear they deserve every penny they get - But hell I remember having some seriously poor & lacking teachers. Not all of course.

The educational system needs to be reviewed & altered in some areas.
Example: Proper computer training should be introduced - I'm talkin a little more advanced than knowing how to use word efficiently.
Something such as programing needs to be introduced to secondary level students probably close to 3rd year, why because maths can be explained, used and illustrated in programing. IMO this would help the whole maths situation.
anyway I know thats all kinda off topic but said I'd throw it out their.

Anyone watch RTE news today?

[ellie08]

Proposition Joe
- "sub-intellectual" is just a word - totally pejorative to indicate a dismissive view of somebody's argument - it's not a sneaky "madey-uppey" (!!) word.

- the relevance of your king/queen metaphor totally escapes me

- you maintain that this is a discussion site suggesting that there are inherent rules of engagement - then proceed to rebuke my "orthodoxy" cheerfully unaware of the incongruity

- Ellie has been "bullying" other posters in her facile manner over the last few weeks - I refer you to her posts - but she is a damsel-in-distress and across the plain gallops Sir Joe her noble knight-errant.

-when I joined PI what struck me most was the level of vitriol contained in many posts - members posted each other in terms of rage and utter contempt - to "argue the issue on its merits" seemed very much a discretionary option

-I did not seek "personal identifying information" - Ellie keeps reminding us that she is a trainee-teacher (and , bizarrely , that she has a child ) - so where do I seek personal knowledge of her ? If you are half the gallant knight you think you are you will apologise for this unfounded imputation. To know that I live far from her is all the reassurance I need.

Above all I dislike your condescending tone - I am gravely disappointed in you.

You can have a child once you have your period - now I'd like to see your SPHE classes. Were you the person pretending to be a coal man as well? I suggest calling yourself Wretched Walter (Mitty) instead. You say you love being a teacher and you spend your evenings looking up sites that people discuss the pay of teachers. You are indeed wretched sad ignorant person. Do you even have a degree or is that why you have a chip on your shoulder? I think the pay is great and it is, so stop being nasty to everyone.

[hopi watcher]

[QUOTE=Proposition Joe;1588026]Hopi, you have a long history of blindly defending wasteful practices in the public service. QUOTE]

Where?

[wretchedwilbur]

You can have a child once you have your period - now I'd like to see your SPHE classes. Were you the person pretending to be a coal man as well? I suggest calling yourself Wretched Walter (Mitty) instead. You say you love being a teacher and you spend your evenings looking up sites that people discuss the pay of teachers. You are indeed wretched sad ignorant person. Do you even have a degree or is that why you have a chip on your shoulder? I think the pay is great and it is, so stop being nasty to everyone.

- I never said I love being a teacher - I'm not one.

- What on earth is SPHE - some type of remedial class for slow learners that the school principal gives to the dud teacher on the staff - is this what you teach ?

- I do not envy teacher's pay - you were the one whinging about teacher's pay when I first took you to task , you sad muppet. Try to keep track.

- Well you don't have a degree anyway - by your own admission you're a student. But no matter how many degrees you end up with , you'll always be shrill whiny imbecile.

If you must respond to this please no more reference to your maternity skills - or your periods.

[ellie08]

- I never said I love being a teacher - I'm not one.

- What on earth is SPHE - some type of remedial class for slow learners that the school principal gives to the dud teacher on the staff - is this what you teach ?

- I do not envy teacher's pay - you were the one whinging about teacher's pay when I first took you to task , you sad muppet. Try to keep track.

- Well you don't have a degree anyway - by your own admission you're a student. But no matter how many degrees you end up with , you'll always be shrill whiny imbecile.

If you must respond to this please no more reference to your maternity skills - or your periods.

wretched by name....... a period a maternity skill? Ermmm no, that's nature hon. I take it you have no degree so - unless there's a new one in name calling. I said teacher's pay is very good, that is a positive for me - I just don't have a sense of entitlement yet, and I hope I will never feel that way. Wretched by name eh Wilbur? And you didn't take me to task pet. If you stop attacking me and others you might be taken seriously... then again....

[spraoi]

I'm a teacher, nicely paid for my work, thanks.
I'm just back from my two weeks hols - one in the sun. Yahoo!
I apologise to no body - it's my chosen career of 30 years and (uniquely?) ALL my friends earn more than I.
I don't know what the other posters work at - perhaps you could inform me so that I too can make ill informed remarks about you? If you haven't taught a class for a few years, frankly you are not qualified to judge my work and worth - no more than I would be so presumptuous to judge you.
Just because you were at school yourself doesn't mean you're ready to run the Dept of Ed & Science, firing all around you.
If I fly in a jet does that make me (almost) a pilot?
If I know how to turn on a tap am I (half way to being) a plumber?
If I contribute to a million posts am I worth reading?

[JollyRedGiant]

I am a teacher - just received my latest paypacket - received €392 net for two weeks and paid €72 in pension deductions and income levies.

[Bonzo1970]

I'm a teacher, nicely paid for my work, thanks.
I'm just back from my two weeks hols - one in the sun. Yahoo!
I apologise to no body - it's my chosen career of 30 years and (uniquely?) ALL my friends earn more than I.
I don't know what the other posters work at - perhaps you could inform me so that I too can make ill informed remarks about you? If you haven't taught a class for a few years, frankly you are not qualified to judge my work and worth - no more than I would be so presumptuous to judge you.
Just because you were at school yourself doesn't mean you're ready to run the Dept of Ed & Science, firing all around you.
If I fly in a jet does that make me (almost) a pilot?
If I know how to turn on a tap am I (half way to being) a plumber?
If I contribute to a million posts am I worth reading?

Well said though in fairness to the Odd poster here like Prop Joe and others there are those who sometimes look up material ands make some attempt to be informed. However, Im still perplexed why Joe is not on his sons Board of Management? There are of course the Trolls like Robert who is really a student. It is not fully right ,that people should comment on one profession without indicating what they do? We are all customers of someone-students of teachers and me of whatever service you provide.

[avagardner]

I'm a teacher, nicely paid for my work, thanks.
I'm just back from my two weeks hols - one in the sun. Yahoo!
I apologise to no body - it's my chosen career of 30 years and (uniquely?) ALL my friends earn more than I.
I don't know what the other posters work at - perhaps you could inform me so that I too can make ill informed remarks about you? If you haven't taught a class for a few years, frankly you are not qualified to judge my work and worth - no more than I would be so presumptuous to judge you.
Just because you were at school yourself doesn't mean you're ready to run the Dept of Ed & Science, firing all around you.
If I fly in a jet does that make me (almost) a pilot?
If I know how to turn on a tap am I (half way to being) a plumber?
If I contribute to a million posts am I worth reading?

I totally agree. Why are people so obsessed with teachers pay and they remain anoymous about their own profession. They comment at will about teachers holidays, pay, performance, stress level of work etc. Its gereralisations fed to them by the media. It takes the focus away from the other problems like the money that was spent on social welfare in the boom times when we invited people to Ireland to do the jobs that Irish people would not do, the money wasted on e-voting, etc etc
Most teachers are parttime and oftentimes dont have enough hours to qualify for pension. Most people have to buy back years to qualify for pensions if they were parttime for years. Most teachers dont get a full time position for years. Im not complaining about this but pointing out the situation.Why are people who are ill informed and snatch at a piece of information they read re teachers making widly innaccurate comments as if its their God given right to comment on teachers.
This is our chosen profession, why should we feel guilty for having a job.