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About LinkBacksok ok guys I agree with you. Teachers do SFA. And the real joke is they call themselves professionals. What a laugh that gets every time I hear it.
ok ok guys I agree with you. Teachers do SFA. And the real joke is they call themselves professionals. What a laugh that gets every time I hear it.
I had a parent who was a teacher and I've managed groups of 30 + children on odd occasions. Teaching is tough and I admire teachers who do it well.
Why were the two teachers off on long term "stress" ailments ? Presumably the same classes had been taught by other teachers who didn't succumb. Ergo, the sick teachers are not suited to the job. Perhaps what would be fair would be to pay them six months salary in hand while they find another job. Most of us, if we can't hack it in our jobs, just get sacked.
I read a UK study that showed that teachers there had a very high life expectancy compared with most other professions. I would guess this could be put down to the long holidays that allow recuperation from the undoubted trials of controlling and educating groups of around 30 children/teenagers.
Apart from in the sciences, OECD reports show Irish schools doing very well. I think that the high salaries teachers get probably contribute to that, as teachers feel they are well rewarded. But salary levels have climbed beyond the necessary or sustainable.
Had the woman on the €77,000 been on a more reasonable salary she probably wouldn't have been sucked into the Croatian punt, and would be a happier woman today.
Teachers would have more sympathy from the public if they were out fighting the cuts in book grants and teaching resources and spending less time trying to convince themselves that they are hard done by.
The average working week for people running small businesses is 70 hours btw.
yet you stil equate your job to Babysitting ?Originally Posted by Stroke
When accounting for the drop in salary you took did you do it in a pro rata way?
I.e on a per hour way ? ......
At the top of the scale , permanent teachers are earning 350 per day (actually worked)
Everyone is claiming to be the most vulnerable in society these days! . . teachers should DEFINITELY not join this list !
Some teachers love their jobs,
Some teachers are using it as a stop gap ...... the latter group tend to be the biggest complainers, , , , and should not have chosen the teaching profession in the first place.
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Is it not time Stroke that the Labour party asked LOC to remove their emblem-I think the PD one is more appropriate!!!
The politics of self interest -V- the politics of fairness
I am on the latter side . . . .
Cynics believe that no matter what, people will vote from a self interested position.
I perceive the fundamental beliefs of the Labour party as sound and solid structures & principals and I will continue to support the party until that changes.
Many posters on Politics.ie find it hard to understand this, as they see supporting a political party either
A) as a way of improving their particular (/social groups) circumstances or elevating their issues ahead of others
or
B) They support a Party In a way akin to supporting a football team ,,,,, childish blind loyalty.
The Labour party has supporters & members that easily fall into the categories above ,,,, but in general, there are a higher proportion of category C) people In the Labour party (in my view)
C) Those that believe politics is not a way to push one's personal interest & not like supporting a football team ,,,,, Its a way of influencing the world so that it's more fair, just and challenges the self interests of those in category A) & B).
proper considered political comment, requires the ability to think more than one dimensionally.... So many posters on this site don't have that ability & their post are only slightly more interesting than the idiots that write CIRA on the wall in Dublin suburbs.
So yes, even though I think teachers are paid quite enough .... i'll continue with my Labour avatar & I wont be handing back my membership card just yet.
My nearest neighbor is 40,075.16 kilometers away
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Welcome To Ireland
Steal a little and - We'll put you in Jail
Steal a lot and - You'll get a payoff and pension.
Stroke wrote:
If you lot were any good at your jobs we wouldn't have to.do voluntary work with adult literacy
Ungrateful bunch of moaning minnies. I thought teenage apathy was to do with hormomal issues, it's more likely brought on by listening to the likes of you.
"In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia."
George Orwell
A lot of teachers are quite uneducated themselves but bluff and bluster their way through what some of them might call a career.
How do you figure teachers are uneducated? Being educated is a requirement of the job - its the ticket that gets you in the door, its not enough and is no proof of your ability to teach but it is the minimum requirement.
I don't want to appear elitist. Well, maybe I do, but a pass arts degree and some political connections is hardly a good education.
The pass Arts degree is more than most have and is a measure of quite a high level of education - 3 yrs post secondary in a land where many have not completed Leaving cert. It does not make you a good teacher but how many university professors are good teachers?
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