The Labour Party To Nationalise All Catholic Schools

[Gruffalo]

I have lived in both also ................... so with respect I have every bit as much insight into why both countries are different, lol.

I do agree that we if we do things wrong we could end up making the same mistakes, that is why I suggest that we take the necessary measures to avoid handing control to the PC brigade. You are right that we have to be careful with things but I do believe in secular education.

As a matter of interest, where in the UK did you grow up?

[DaBrow]

I'm sorry, I don't see where on that page Pat Rabbitte's name is even mentioned, much less is he saying that Labour support unconditional abortion in Ireland.

Also, Labour Youth policy is not Labour Party policy.

RTÉ News: Labour party backs abortion legislation proposal Past News Story

http://www.politics.ie/labour/14048-...-rabbitte.html Past Thread


Labour and FG 'on collision course' over abortion policy - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

[marmurr1916]

I'm sorry, but haven't you noticed that currently the Irish Government is copying the same mistakes that Britain has made in regards to keeping everyone happy?................... which is impossible

What are you talking about? The only controversy I remember about school uniforms in Ireland was about a school in Wexford that asked whether or not it could ban the hijab.

No school in Ireland has ever banned a pupil from wearing any symbol of Christianity.

There was also the case of the boy whose school suspended him for having his hair too long.

I think the school lost on the grounds of freedom of expression, which reinforces the point that schools in Ireland can't overdo it when it comes to their pupils appearance.

[DaBrow]

I have lived in both also ................... so with respect I have every bit as much insight into why both countries are different, lol.

I do agree that we if we do things wrong we could end up making the same mistakes, that is why I suggest that we take the necessary measures to avoid handing control to the PC brigade. You are right that we have to be careful with things but I do believe in secular education.

As a matter of interest, where in the UK did you grow up?

A place that you'd not want to visit

Let's say south of Newcastle but North of Birmingham lol

Trust me though, you may not agree with Religion in Education but I can tell that they out perform secular schools every time for grades, reputation and pupil behaviour.

I was picked on repeatedly on religious and ethnic grounds in one hellhole of a secular school I thankfully left

[Earnest]

Can't find Ruairi Quinn's speech, but I would want to ask: does he mean that the State should own the schools and lease them out to churches, or that the State should run them as multi-denominational? I wouldn't be very happy with a standardisation of schools that gives parents no choice, but those who are not Catholic are being discriminated against at the moment.

[DaBrow]

What are you talking about? The only controversy I remember about school uniforms in Ireland was about a school in Wexford that asked whether or not it could ban the hijab.

No school in Ireland has ever banned a pupil from wearing any symbol of Christianity.

There was also the case of the boy whose school suspended him for having his hair too long.

I think the school lost on the grounds of freedom of expression, which reinforces the point that schools in Ireland can't overdo it when it comes to their pupils appearance.

School ban on girl wearing cross 'discriminatory' - Telegraph

Secular schools are switching to Anglicanism to fulfil parental demand for 'Christian values' - Telegraph

(Record numbers of secondary schools are "converting" and becoming Church of England schools to fulfil parental demand for Christian values and better discipline.)

People in Britain are making a u-turn on how education is currently managed in non-denominational models........................

Ireland in 20 years after secularising education?

[Gruffalo]

A place that you'd not want to visit

Let's say south of Newcastle but North of Birmingham lol

Trust me though, you may not agree with Religion in Education but I can tell that they out perform secular schools every time for grades, reputation and pupil behaviour.

I was picked on repeatedly on religious and ethnic grounds in one hellhole of a secular school I thankfully left

Come on, give us a name. I have lived in Lancashire, in a Muslim area. Loved it.

I went to an all Catholic school where I got picked on. Religion is not the only reason for bullying.

[marmurr1916]

You could look at it another way,the state under the constitution have to provide education for their people,The RC Church are the Landlords and the government are the tenants .
If they owe the state money ,well then they should be made sell the properties.

Although, in many cases, the bulk of the money for the church schools was provided by the state.

Plus the ongoing running costs and the staffing costs.

In any case, the state isn't obliged to provide the churches with funding for their schools.

[johnfás]

Good way to bankrupt the State too - unlike private property where the requirement for compensation on foot of a State seizure arises only as a result of a Supreme Court ruling, the Constitution explicitly states in Article 44.2.6 that the property of a religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.

[corelli]

Good way to bankrupt the State too - unlike private property where the requirement for compensation on foot of a State seizure arises only as a result of a Supreme Court ruling, the Constitution explicitly states in Article 44.2.6 that the property of a religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.

Yep, very true. Would require a constitutional amendment to "take" it off them without reasonable compensation unless the church were to give it up of their own volition.