The Labour Party To Nationalise All Catholic Schools

[DaBrow]

You're complaining about other people having the opportunities that your family were afforded. That makes you a hypocrite. Did you ever think about the poor Indian immigrants who were in your English school whose education was delayed as the teacher had to slow down the class to allow you catch up? Of course it's not your fault, but how dare you blame your shortcomings on the other immigrant kids.



I'm actually quite happy living here for the moment, thank you, although if career brought me to the mainland (i.e. Europe) that could change. My partner grew up in the UK (England, Scotland and Norn Iron) and she has very different views to you on immigration. But then, she's not a bigot, was educated to 4th level and is a well balanced individual, so that's to be expected.

I presume/hope you're not bringing up kids with these values?

My family were not awarded opportunities like you claim! They had to deal with a huge amount adversity especially when the troubles occured, so much so they almost moved back to Ireland early and for the part of childrens education they wished they did.

You really have no clue about being an immigrant as a child..................

I thankfully managed to graduate from university despite many obstacles thrown at me.

Most of the schools in the UK that weren't of a single ethos were badly run and crap standard, if you want that in Ireland then I pity your descendents because they'll suffer from your lack foresight.

Britain hasn't an Identity anymore becuase of people wanting to destroy its culture and traditions, God help this country from people like you whom arrogantly claim that failed systems are signs of progress. There are now primary schools where english is a minority language...........................

Is that what you want? You are so ashamed of being Irish and engulfed in self-hatred of all that represents you that

A country that you no longer recognise is a way forward?

[dotski_w_]

Imagine what a state could do with unfettered access to our children's impressionable minds.

rather the state than the church.

I think LP are on a winner with this one!

[cactusflower]

This is just so much populist claptrap from Quinn. Nowhere does he spell out how a State takeover of education would be accomplished - the enormous financial cost, the constitutional difficulties, the legal barriers.
Such a takeover would change the very nature of this Republic, making it a type of Socialist state.
Would you entrust the entire educational welfare of your children to the Labour Party, instead of to the healthy mix of authorities we now enjoy, each helping to keep the other in check?
It is currently the role of the State to provide FOR the education of our children, not to provide that education. Imagine what a state could do with unfettered access to our children's impressionable minds.

Yes, educate them.
Why would it be enormously costly ? Just subtract the amounts already paid in by the state from the value of anything taken over.

Btw - does the Church pay tax ?

[johnfás]

Yes, educate them.
Why would it be enormously costly ? Just subtract the amounts already paid in by the state from the value of anything taken over.

Btw - does the Church pay tax ?

Churches are charities so they are tax exempt so no - most recently reinforced by the Charities Act 2009. But then again, as charities they don't divest profits, monies are held on trust and then expended so what would you be taxing? They do pay VAT and priests would pay tax on their stipends.

[Gruffalo]

About time, we need to get the catholic church as far away from our children as possible. The fact there aren't some bishops behind bars is a disgrace.

This paint them all with the one brush attitude is childish and unhelpful. I was taught by a paedophile (though he did no harm to me). He later did time. He only did 2 years as he was given time off for sparing his victims the court case i.e. as soon as the cops questioned him, he pleaded guilty immediatley. I have no time for him but there are many members of religous orders whom I have found to brilliant people. Also my time as an altar boy was one of the most enjoyable periods of my life.

Not all Catholic Clergy are paedophiles and not all paedophiles are Catholic Clergy.

[johnfás]

AFAIK The Church is not a charity and is subject to the same tax laws as any private body.

Incorrect, the Church is a charity - any non profit making organisation which exists for the advancement of religion is eligible to be a charity. This has been so since 1634 (ignoring momentarily times when certain religions have been banned).

[dotski_w_]

My family were not awarded opportunities like you claim! They had to deal with a huge amount adversity especially when the troubles occured,

Yes, not like them muslim kids who have to put up with racist nonsense over 9/11, eh?

You really have no clue about being an immigrant as a child..................

Your lack of empathy for other immigrant children rather undermines your ability to claim that moral high ground effectively on this point ......

I thankfully managed to graduate from university despite many obstacles thrown at me.

Yes, although Thatcher's re-classification of polytechnics as 'universities' was no doubt a 'godsend'....

Most of the schools in the UK that weren't of a single ethos were badly run and crap standard, if you want that in Ireland then I pity your descendents because they'll suffer from your lack foresight.

No doubt, although hopefully they'll be able to spell.

Britain hasn't an Identity anymore becuase of people wanting to destroy its culture and traditions

says the person who emigrated there ......

God help this country from people like you whom arrogantly claim that failed systems are signs of progress. There are now primary schools where english is a minority language...........................

Yes. They're called Gaelscoileanna. you may not have a word of our first national language (under our constitution) and may think this is a bad thing, but if you don't like it, why don't you go back to where you came from ?

Is that what you want? You are so ashamed of being Irish and engulfed in self-hatred of all that represents you that

I'd imagine that my Irish is much better than yours. I can certainly hold a conversation in it. I'd be interested in why you think I hate myself though, you've not really made a coherent point there, would you like to expand?

[johnfás]

The most important aspect of the charitable status is really the ability to reclaim the tax on donations. That is, if I donate 100 euro to charity the charity can reclaim the tax which I would have paid on that 100 euro at the marginal rate thus giving the charity some more money.

[Gruffalo]

My family were not awarded opportunities like you claim! They had to deal with a huge amount adversity especially when the troubles occured, so much so they almost moved back to Ireland early and for the part of childrens education they wished they did.

You really have no clue about being an immigrant as a child..................

[COLOR="Red"]You clearly do not either given you're lack of respect for your fellow immigrants[/COLOR]

I thankfully managed to graduate from university despite many obstacles thrown at me.

Most of the schools in the UK that weren't of a single ethos were badly run and crap standard, if you want that in Ireland then I pity your descendents because they'll suffer from your lack foresight.

[COLOR="Red"]There are many reasons for poor schools in the UK, including size, socio-economic factors, funding etc, etc. You cannot just pin it down to immigration[/COLOR]

Britain hasn't an Identity anymore becuase of people wanting to destroy its culture and traditions,

[COLOR="Red"]Given how Britain has treated the world, do you really expect us to feel sorry for any loss of it's cultures and traditions. Besides, I have lived in England and do not see how this loss of culture and tradition has occured. [/COLOR]

God help this country from people like you whom arrogantly claim that failed systems are signs of progress. There are now primary schools where english is a minority language...........................

[COLOR="Red"]Feel free to list them all[/COLOR]

Is that what you want? You are so ashamed of being Irish and engulfed in self-hatred of all that represents you that

[COLOR="Red"]How is Dotski ashamed of being Irish[/COLOR]

A country that you no longer recognise is a way forward?

I notice you still have not answered my earlier question as to where you lived in England.Why not tell me? And dont give me another condescending answer like "somewhere you wouldn't want to go". I am not a bigot so I am not afraid to go anywhere.

[dotski_w_]

The most important aspect of the charitable status is really the ability to reclaim the tax on donations. That is, if I donate 100 euro to charity the charity can reclaim the tax which I would have paid on that 100 euro at the marginal rate thus giving the charity some more money.

true (one of the few positive achievements of McCreevey, IIRC). It applies to all schools though, not just religious, ET schools get money this way also