32 Savage Cuts, Short Term Gain for Long Term Loss?

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Below are the 32 Savage cuts in education that this government has implemented, will this short term penny saving have long lasting consequences for the future of Ireland?

Again FF & the Greens have shown their callous nature by targeting the vunerable of society.

1. Reduce school building programme

2. 200 fewer primary school teachers

3. 200 fewer secondary school teachers

4. Reduction in English language support teachers

5. Reduction in staffing levels for previous non DEIS schools

6. Abolition of sub teachers from Jan ‘09

7. Early retirement scheme for teachers to be suspended

8. Cookery grant abolished

9. Equipment grant for resource teachers abolished

10. Reduction in traveller education budget

11. Grants for school choirs and orchestras abolished

12. Grants for home economics abolished

13. Grants for physics and chemistry abolished

14. Reductions in Leaving Cert Applied, LCVP and transition year funding

15. Capital reduction for travelers and withdrawal of certain capital for schools that are not in DEIS programme

16. Saving of 7.5 million for school books in DEIS schools

17. Reduction in funding for local libraries who support school libraries

18. Subvention for summer courses conducted in Irish colleges in Gaeltacht areas withdrawn

19. Funding for Centre for Talented Youth withdrawn

20. College Registration Fees hiked to €1,500 from €900

21. Abolition of Early Childcare Centre

22. No increase in Student Maintenance Grants for ‘09

23. Reduction in provision of 500 places on BTEA initiative

24. Youth services grant reduced by 8%

25. Reduce teacher secondments to in-service training

26. Radical increase in school transport costs to €300

27. Increase State Examination costs

28. Reduction in Department’s Regional Office Service

29. Non-implementation of EPSOM Act

30. Deferral of planned increase in medical education places

31. Restrictions in awards made to research councils

32. Failure to spend NDP commitment on ICT funding in schools

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Below are the 32 Savage cuts in education that this government has implemented, will this short term penny saving have long lasting consequences for the future of Ireland?

Again FF & the Greens have shown their callous nature by targeting the vunerable of society.

1. Reduce school building programme

2. 200 fewer primary school teachers

3. 200 fewer secondary school teachers

4. Reduction in English language support teachers

5. Reduction in staffing levels for previous non DEIS schools

6. Abolition of sub teachers from Jan ‘09

7. Early retirement scheme for teachers to be suspended

8. Cookery grant abolished

9. Equipment grant for resource teachers abolished

10. Reduction in traveller education budget

11. Grants for school choirs and orchestras abolished

12. Grants for home economics abolished

13. Grants for physics and chemistry abolished

14. Reductions in Leaving Cert Applied, LCVP and transition year funding

15. Capital reduction for travelers and withdrawal of certain capital for schools that are not in DEIS programme

16. Saving of 7.5 million for school books in DEIS schools

17. Reduction in funding for local libraries who support school libraries

18. Subvention for summer courses conducted in Irish colleges in Gaeltacht areas withdrawn

19. Funding for Centre for Talented Youth withdrawn

20. College Registration Fees hiked to €1,500 from €900

21. Abolition of Early Childcare Centre

22. No increase in Student Maintenance Grants for ‘09

23. Reduction in provision of 500 places on BTEA initiative

24. Youth services grant reduced by 8%

25. Reduce teacher secondments to in-service training

26. Radical increase in school transport costs to €300

27. Increase State Examination costs

28. Reduction in Department’s Regional Office Service

29. Non-implementation of EPSOM Act

30. Deferral of planned increase in medical education places

31. Restrictions in awards made to research councils

32. Failure to spend NDP commitment on ICT funding in schools

But the penguins are safe : johnny gormless has introduced a carbon budget, remember? Thats all they care about. Feck the poor and the ill educated, chuck another levy on something....

[pfkf]

But the penguins are safe : johnny gormless has introduced a carbon budget, remember? Thats all they care about. Feck the poor and the ill educated, chuck another levy on something....

And you consider the €1 billion extra the Greens wanted invested in education and the 100 steps as well, what happened to them?

[JollyRedGiant]

And you consider the €1 billion extra the Greens wanted invested in education and the 100 steps as well, what happened to them?

sshhhuuuusssshhhhhh!!!

They're in government now - they have to behave responsibly.

[Big Bobo]

But the penguins are safe : johnny gormless has introduced a carbon budget, remember? Thats all they care about. Feck the poor and the ill educated, chuck another levy on something....

The Green Party have no solutions to anything apart from privatisation and extra charges.

[fiannafuddy]

Below are the 32 Savage cuts in education that this government has implemented, will this short term penny saving have long lasting consequences for the future of Ireland?

Again FF & the Greens have shown their callous nature by targeting the vunerable of society.

1. Reduce school building programme

2. 200 fewer primary school teachers

3. 200 fewer secondary school teachers

4. Reduction in English language support teachers

5. Reduction in staffing levels for previous non DEIS schools

6. Abolition of sub teachers from Jan ‘09

7. Early retirement scheme for teachers to be suspended

8. Cookery grant abolished

9. Equipment grant for resource teachers abolished

10. Reduction in traveller education budget

11. Grants for school choirs and orchestras abolished

12. Grants for home economics abolished

13. Grants for physics and chemistry abolished

14. Reductions in Leaving Cert Applied, LCVP and transition year funding

15. Capital reduction for travelers and withdrawal of certain capital for schools that are not in DEIS programme

16. Saving of 7.5 million for school books in DEIS schools

17. Reduction in funding for local libraries who support school libraries

18. Subvention for summer courses conducted in Irish colleges in Gaeltacht areas withdrawn

19. Funding for Centre for Talented Youth withdrawn

20. College Registration Fees hiked to €1,500 from €900

21. Abolition of Early Childcare Centre

22. No increase in Student Maintenance Grants for ‘09

23. Reduction in provision of 500 places on BTEA initiative

24. Youth services grant reduced by 8%

25. Reduce teacher secondments to in-service training

26. Radical increase in school transport costs to €300

27. Increase State Examination costs

28. Reduction in Department’s Regional Office Service

29. Non-implementation of EPSOM Act

30. Deferral of planned increase in medical education places

31. Restrictions in awards made to research councils

32. Failure to spend NDP commitment on ICT funding in schools

One has to question why 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18 and 19 had their own individual funding programmes in the first place.

I mean a school choir grant....FFS...I was in the school choir and I can tell you it took no money to run the effing thing. What was the grant for....paying teachers to do their job??

I'm coming from a base of having never been in a mainline class of less than 25 until I got to 5th year in secondary school....at that stage subject choices determined class sizes.

32 kids in a class isn't an issue. the control the teacher exercises in that environment is where things can start to go wrong.

No ******************** tolerated = no problem.

[riker1969]

I never ran a choir but I did do debating and we got no grant for it. There are always expenses attached to things, that a young child would not be aware of.

[Big Bobo]

One has to question why 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18 and 19 had their own individual funding programmes in the first place.

I mean a school choir grant....FFS...I was in the school choir and I can tell you it took no money to run the effing thing. What was the grant for....paying teachers to do their job??

I'm coming from a base of having never been in a mainline class of less than 25 until I got to 5th year in secondary school....at that stage subject choices determined class sizes.

32 kids in a class isn't an issue. the control the teacher exercises in that environment is where things can start to go wrong.

No ******************** tolerated = no problem.

"Oh well back in my day we did it like this and there were never any problems..." Pathetic!

After FF telling us how good we've had it for so long now they've still failed to do anything about class sizes

[fiannafuddy]

I never ran a choir but I did do debating and we got no grant for it. There are always expenses attached to things, that a young child would not be aware of.

Busses and crisps are not what I would call grant eligible expenses. Schools seem to be able to fundraise and make allowances for rugby and football teams, so I don't see why the same should not be the case for non sporting extra curricular activities.

My parents had to pay for chess classes and French classes in primary school, but were never required to contribute a penny for my basketball or hurling activities. I think it's a matter of schools spending their discretionary fund more evenly across activities.

As for the home economics one....is there an accounting grant, a geography grant, a CSPE grant or a tiddlywinks grant?

If not, why should other specifics be subject to grant availability.

I don't buy the pathetic argument, it assumes that having 30 kids in a class is wrong, and just because that's the way it was doesn't mean it was wrong either!

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Quite frankly when I do eventually have kids, I'd prefer my 8 year old to be in a 3rd class of 35 kids in one room that a spread of 10 2nd class kids, 8 3rd class kids and 10 4th class kids all in the same classroom with the same teacher, but many people are happy with this system, otherwise they wouldn't send their kids to small rural schools or ************************* and moan everytime there's a murmur of a small school closing.

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Busses and crisps are not what I would call grant eligible expenses. Schools seem to be able to fundraise and make allowances for rugby and football teams, so I don't see why the same should not be the case for non sporting extra curricular activities.

My parents had to pay for chess classes and French classes in primary school, but were never required to contribute a penny for my basketball or hurling activities. I think it's a matter of schools spending their discretionary fund more evenly across activities.

As for the home economics one....is there an accounting grant, a geography grant, a CSPE grant or a tiddlywinks grant?

If not, why should other specifics be subject to grant availability.

I don't buy the pathetic argument, it assumes that having 30 kids in a class is wrong, and just because that's the way it was doesn't mean it was wrong either!

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Quite frankly when I do eventually have kids, I'd prefer my 8 year old to be in a 3rd class of 35 kids in one room that a spread of 10 2nd class kids, 8 3rd class kids and 10 4th class kids all in the same classroom with the same teacher, but many people are happy with this system, otherwise they wouldn't send their kids to small rural schools or ************************* and moan everytime there's a murmur of a small school closing.

And of course you have talked to loads of educationalists who support this mixed class approach. And also to teachers who note that its absolutely no problem to teach three different curricula at once. You have, havent you....? You wouldnt be just talking out your hole ...?