Third level fees = higher registration fees.

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We need to remove incentives for exploitation of the student-visa system by illegal immigrants. At least 100,000 Chinese illegals are believe to be in this country through this system. This is one among many reasons we need to bring back Third Level tuition fees. Labour are flogging a dead horse in trying to retain the status-quo, which is similar to the status-quo-ante in that registration-fees have doubled since the tuition-fees were abolished. At the same time, the whopping tuition-fees the non-EU students have to pay encourages universities to bring in more, who then largely fail to register as required with the GNIB. The govt's refusal to introduce a compulsory register of educational-institutions using the system suggests at best they are turning a blind eye and at worst they are colluding with fatcats to bring in slave labour. Which is it?

Wow- you really dont get it do you? WTF did 100k come from ? Your mind? A man in the pub? Some stormtrooper website.
First, the vast majority (check the IUA figures) are NOT in universities. They are in "language schools"
Second how do you know that the majority fail to register. Who told you?

[pino]

Senator Doherty should maybe come down to Waterford any night of the week, and tell us where the "poor students" are able to find their hefty contributions towards the purchase and running costs of the Bentleys, Porsches, BMWs and Range Rovers of the local vintners!

As I'm Italian I can only agree with my comrade Pearse as the University fees should be null or near to null: the culture shall not be a luxury item. I've been shocked by the Irish education system and really I don't get how a nation that has indeed suffered that much in the last 100 years can become like this. It is true that money corrupt the people, and a lot of fake money based on crazy credit makes the people even more corrupt and hardhearted. What a pity!

[White Horse]

Deaglan de Breadun this morning suggests that higher registration fees are being planned for which could replace suggested increases in third level fees.

At present registration fees are about €980, but are likely to be "sharply increased".

If families are financially pressed hard enough, they now have to stump up more money for their children's third level education.

Remind me. What do we pay taxes for?

[FutureTaoiseach]

Wow- you really dont get it do you? WTF did 100k come from ? Your mind? A man in the pub? Some stormtrooper website.
First, the vast majority (check the IUA figures) are NOT in universities. They are in "language schools"
Second how do you know that the majority fail to register. Who told you?

Even the NCCRI (National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism) - not exactly known for being stormtroopers - say there are 100,000 Chinese here. SIPTU say its 100,000. After the Census figures came out saying there were just 11,000, a female spokeperson for SIPTU was referenced in a newspaper as saying she nearly fell off her chair hearing that as there are at least 10 times that number here. Also most authoritative sources outside of the govt - including RTE - have said over the years they believe there are around 100,000 here. Far from the preserve of the Far Right, of which I am not part btw. We know that the vast majority do not register because of the Prime Time special on this issue I believe last year. Human nature is such that where there is a loophole to be exploited, it will be. And I am aware of the language schools but this issue is still relevant to the universities aswell. Take off the PC-blinkers and you will educate yourself better on this matter. Desperate people will do desperate things, as any fool knows.

[SPN]

Remind me. What do we pay taxes for?

To subsidise thrid level students going on the pi$$ every night of the week.


This money would be much better spent on providing better pre-school, primary school, and special needs education for children with real needs.

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To subsidise thrid level students going on the pi$$ every night of the week.


This money would be much better spent on providing better pre-school, primary school, and special needs education for children with real needs.

Remember the thread on loike, the cor porking, in UCD.....

[Aindriu]

As I'm Italian I can only agree with my comrade Pearse as the University fees should be null or near to null: the culture shall not be a luxury item. I've been shocked by the Irish education system and really I don't get how a nation that has indeed suffered that much in the last 100 years can become like this. It is true that money corrupt the people, and a lot of fake money based on crazy credit makes the people even more corrupt and hardhearted. What a pity!

Well said that poster!!!!!!!!!!!

[fionnmccool]

Exactly. As they do in Germany.

If the students do well (i.e. aren't complete wasters) they get something like a 20% deduction on their repayment. Paying back early also has incentives.

Re: the 6 year thing..... If I go abroad for 6 years with an overdraft then when I come home the money is mine?

Have a hard time believing that.

Shane.

I thought fees were always free in Germany apart from a circa 600 euro registration fee which was introduced about 2 years ago.
The source of my information is a number of non German students (both from within the EU and elsewhere) studying long term in Germany whom I know.

[frodi]

I don't think anyone would object to big earners in this country pulling their weight more in terms of paying for state subsidised services.

It's a disgrace really that people who earn over 200,000 or even a 100,000 a year should get free fees for their children in university, get child support payments, and plenty more supports from the government.

It's time university fees were introduced for those who can afford them.

When it is being introduced it will be children of those earning more than 100 or 200K. Once it is passed the income level will be the govt's favourite default, the medical card level.
I'm old enough to remember when car tax was abolished. It was immediately replaced with a vehicle registration charge of £5. How much vehicle registration did you pay last year?

[trekkypj]

To subsidise thrid level students going on the pi$$ every night of the week.


This money would be much better spent on providing better pre-school, primary school, and special needs education for children with real needs.

Actually, while I don't deny some students go on the pi$$ nightly, it has been my experience that in fact, it's the ones who don't actually need the grant, but get it through loopholes and clever accounting that do this.

I received the grant. It is supposed to pay for fees and for maintenance. But the maintenance part of the grant is woefully inadequate. When a basic room in college can cost anything from €65 - 120 a week plus utilities depending on where you are, that's up to €4,000 for 33 weeks accommodation.

Most students work part time to pay for their food and books. They don't piss it away on alcohol in those circumstances. The ones who do have money to burn have it because they are being subbed by mammy and daddy.