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    New Education Policies

    We have a new government taking reins in the coming weeks. What do posters fell are the biggest opportunities for policy change in the field of education. Is there a greater need to focus on primary education or fourth level. Will it be business as usual.

    Any opinions?

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    Re: New Education Policies

    Quote Originally Posted by daithimac
    We have a new government taking reins in the coming weeks. What do posters fell are the biggest opportunities for policy change in the field of education. Is there a greater need to focus on primary education or fourth level. Will it be business as usual.

    Any opinions?
    It would be a wonderful opportunity to sack Mary Hanafin.
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    Re: New Education Policies

    Quote Originally Posted by theyshootPDsdontthey
    Quote Originally Posted by daithimac
    We have a new government taking reins in the coming weeks. What do posters fell are the biggest opportunities for policy change in the field of education. Is there a greater need to focus on primary education or fourth level. Will it be business as usual.

    Any opinions?
    It would be a wonderful opportunity to sack Mary Hanafin.
    yes that being a policy change.

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    see ruairi quinn ripping into mary hanafin

    on oireachtas report last night

    a couple of weeks ago, someone aksed how many schools have prefabs, and how many students are being thought in prefabs,

    for some reason hanfin didn't know, they ask again this week and still she says they yet to collect the info.

    Deputy Ruairí Quinn: It is probably about six to seven weeks since I first asked this question. The Minister is either being economic with the truth, to borrow a phrase from a famous trial in the southern hemisphere, or her Department is being economic with the truth with her. She will have to satisfy herself as to which of those allegations is more accurate. It is beyond belief, after three years plus in the Department, that she has no overall view of the physical inventory of the primary school infrastructure. Any other organisation that had a chief executive - she is the chief executive of a Department - faced with a growing increase in numbers of pupils in need of physical accommodation would be able to say in spring 2008 how many primary pupils are in prefabs. She cannot say what is the age of those prefabs. She cannot say what is the cost of those prefabs. She cannot say when permanent accommodation, as in her reply to the previous question, will be put in place. Instead she will waste money on new prefabs when the parents and everybody else in that school outside Mallow, albeit with 70 odd pupils, want a permanent building. Is it any wonder her Department is rated as the most incompetent and dysfunctional of the primary major Departments? Will she agree she has presided over that for the past three to four years? Her reply is an absolute disgrace. I will continue to put down the question. No managing director of a sweet shop would survive the length of time in office that she has survived if he or she did not know what was the stock on the shelves. She does not have a clue what is the school accommodation of the primary pupils. She is a disgrace or, more to the point, her Department is a disgrace.
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    Dear Santa
    I would like to see:
    - All religion and religious activities banned from state run primary schools.
    - Replace the teaching of religion with science and a third language.
    - A large portion of primary education to be carried out through Irish.
    - The state will no longer pay the salaries of teachers in private schools.
    - An attempt to attract high achievers to the teaching profession.
    - Computer programming / robotics to be a leaving cert. subject.
    - A surprise!

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    Re: New Education Policies

    Quote Originally Posted by daithimac
    Quote Originally Posted by theyshootPDsdontthey
    Quote Originally Posted by daithimac
    We have a new government taking reins in the coming weeks. What do posters fell are the biggest opportunities for policy change in the field of education. Is there a greater need to focus on primary education or fourth level. Will it be business as usual.

    Any opinions?
    It would be a wonderful opportunity to sack Mary Hanafin.
    yes that being a policy change.
    it would be an acknowledgement of the problems she refuses to acknowledge
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    Not that Cowen will do it: but I would like to see him get rid of compulsory Irish.

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    - All religion and religious activities banned from state run primary schools.
    I'd have no problem with religious activities being held on school buildings, as long as the religion (or organisers) in question were required to pay for the use of the building. However, no religious indoctrination during school hours.

    Replace the teaching of religion with science and a third language.
    Yep, some rudimentary science should be taught in primary school. On the language question, I'd have to ask, what language?
    - A large portion of primary education to be carried out through Irish.
    I can't see the point in that. I mean, we already have an issue with people from other countries having to play catch-up with theEnglish language. Also, while I have no problem with people choosing for their children to be taught through Irish, I believe it should be a choice, not compulsory. Further tying Irish to the idea of compulsion is not going to help the language.

    The state will no longer pay the salaries of teachers in private schools.
    Yes, either that or no private schools.

    An attempt to attract high achievers to the teaching profession.
    yes, my wife is a teacher who gave up a lucrative job for the profession. The hoops that one has to jump through (no pay while doing H. Dip, uncertainty about job status for non-permanent teacher, uncertainty about subjects that are taught) to become a permanent teacher would discourage the most committed person.
    Computer programming / robotics to be a leaving cert. subject.
    Absolutely.

    I would add to the list:

    Teachers actually trained for the subjects that they are teaching. My wife is a science and maths teacher, and did teach that for two years (she's now a full-time mother), however in the preceding 3 years you wouldn't believe the array of subjects she was asked to teach, which she has no training for (Religion, Civics, P.E, one to one with special needs children etc. etc.)

    The state to balance the books of every school in the country, instead of stealth taxes being asked of parents. Free education should be FREE, or else it shouldn't be called FREE education..

    EDIT: On reflection, removed bit about Mary Hanafin for being just a bit of an ignorant rant. Thanks Podger.

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    Re: New Education Policies

    How about bringing back 3rd level fees?

    Our colleges would rank better in the world. If less fortunate people needed to attend college then the government could provide some sort of graded allowance in the tax system.
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    Re: New Education Policies

    Quote Originally Posted by Fr. Hank Tree
    How about bringing back 3rd level fees?

    Our colleges would rank better in the world. If less fortunate people needed to attend college then the government could provide some sort of graded allowance in the tax system.
    How about second level fees?

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