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    patslatt patslatt is online now

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    Project Maths graduates less well prepared than traditional maths graduates for advanced maths in university

    In a Newstalk interview,the founder of online Leaving Cert maths tuition service Positive Maths | Online Maths Tutorials Personalised tuition for Junior Cert and Leaving Cert - Ireland said that Project Maths graduates are less well prepared than traditional maths graduates for advanced maths in university. That's because Leaving Cert maths no longer includes difficult aspects of calculus and complex numbers theory.Clearly,university science students need to be exposed to these topics at a young age in secondary school. While the Newstalk presenter pointed out that this is a deficiency in curriculum, presumably Project Maths' emphasis on practical applications of maths leaves less time for advanced theory.

    The founder of Positive Maths made two other criticisms: students' use of calculators deprives them of practice learning maths by manually working through maths problems;and maths can't be taught properly in today's large class sizes of around 30.

    Given that Ireland's economic future heavily depends on moving up the value chain into advanced science and engineering,it is important that these weaknesses in Project Maths be corrected as a matter of urgency.

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    IRISH MATHS DUNCES!

    Irish self congratulatory tendencies applauds our maths achievements. But in the Maths Olympiad http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx rankings for 30 smallish countries in 2012 and 2013 cruelly place Ireland last at about 30th excluding poor third world countries. Some of the smallish countries that ranked ahead of Ireland (rank 2013:78th,2012: 89th) include Bulgaria (38th and 19th),Belarus (22nd & 24th),Costa Rica (62 & 47), Estonia (55 & 68),Finland (67 & 65),Greece (38 & 26-they invented maths!),Israel (15 & 31),New Zealand (48 & 53), Portugal (36 & 37),Singapore (6 & 7),Switzerland (40 & 52),Sweden (60 & 71). Eastern European countries excel at maths,possibly because former communist governments emphasised engineering education.

    Ireland's poor performance in the Olympiad has implications for science and engineering professions as maths is the key to the sciences,especially proficiency at the level of the global elite mathematicians.
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    WTF??

    I had no idea that complex number theory had been dropped. Talk about dumbing down our schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    WTF??

    I had no idea that complex number theory had been dropped. Talk about dumbing down our schools.
    I think it is worse that aspects of calculus are dropped. Students are always being told that the leaving cert is the hardest exam they will ever sit. If they go on to do engineering in university, they are in for some surprise.
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    Simultaneous equations are fun. Sometimes they ask you to find x, like it was lost. Other times, they get you to find y so it never gets boring. I think on rare occasions you can look for the two of them, but only if there is a z too.
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    what is project maths?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    In a Newstalk interview,the founder of online Leaving Cert maths tuition service Positive Maths | Online Maths Tutorials Personalised tuition for Junior Cert and Leaving Cert - Ireland said that Project Maths graduates are less well prepared than traditional maths graduates for advanced maths in university. That's because Leaving Cert maths no longer includes difficult aspects of calculus and complex numbers theory.Clearly,university science students need to be exposed to these topics at a young age in secondary school. While the Newstalk presenter pointed out that this is a deficiency in curriculum, presumably Project Maths' emphasis on practical applications of maths leaves less time for advanced theory.

    The founder of Positive Maths made two other criticisms: students' use of calculators deprives them of practice learning maths by manually working through maths problems;and maths can't be taught properly in today's large class sizes of around 30.

    Given that Ireland's economic future heavily depends on moving up the value chain into advanced science and engineering,it is important that these weaknesses in Project Maths be corrected as a matter of urgency.
    A Bankrupt Country cannot afford to waste so much time on teaching the dead Irish Language and teaching so much religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westie12 View Post
    I think it is worse that aspects of calculus are dropped. Students are always being told that the leaving cert is the hardest exam they will ever sit. If they go on to do engineering in university, they are in for some surprise.
    Naturally your perspective will be coloured by you eventual discipline and types of mathmatical applications. At least they are still learning calculus, even if not the full canon. But to not even know what an imaginary number is....

    In fact how would electrical engineers get on without complex numbers?
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    IbrahaimMohamad IbrahaimMohamad is offline

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    The rot starts in primary school.

    4.5 hours per week for the dead Irish Language and 2.5 hours per week plus for indoctrination in Catholic Dogma.

    We have to compete in a world skills market and start off with a huge handicap.

    The Students in the lower percentiles of ability need extra help and it is a real injustice to make them study Irish.

    Much better to use these precious resources to give weaker students extra help.

    The more able students would probably do better if they got the time and resources wasted on Irish redirected to useful subjects.
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    Irish junior schools are all about teaching to the middle, clever kids aren't stretched and other kids go on to secondary with low levels of reading and maths ability
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    I attended a CBS school in the 90's. Wasting so much time with Irish & Religion on the timetable was bad enough, but when choosing subjects for the leaving cert, you could only do a certain combination of subjects due to whatever way the schedule was arranged. ie. It was impossible to take 2 science subjects together. I intended to choose chemistry & physics, ended up having to do history instead of physics. If I had taken physics I would have had to do bus org instead of chemistry. Economics wasn't even available (not that it's of much use going by the output of economists in this country in recent times).
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