Traveller family lose school admission case

[Texal Tom]

[QUOTE=Impartial_Eclipse;4904972]Perhaps you mean to say you never noticed one that didn't resemble a town dump? Because the well-kept ones don't stand out.

Come to Cavan. Drive up Main Street, take a left just after Tesco, drive on up the hill and take a left at the T-junction. There, after about 50m on the left is a traveller maintained site. It's easy to miss though because it looks so ordinary.

Only you and others here can truly and honestly to yourselves answer the question of how many ye haven't noticed because your expectation was to see filth and dirt.[/QUOTE

I've seen quite a few and have yet to see a clean one - but that doesnt mean they don't exist as I haven't seen all of them

Would u like to live beside one or if a group of traveller pitched beside your house. B honest please

[elliebee]

For the record, Elliebee claims there's a town where there's a car park illegally occupied by travellers who have been terrifying residents of a nearby nursing home. And no-one is doing anything about it.

I asked for the name of the town and the street.

The above is the answer.....

What a clever cloggs you are then.

[Impartial_Eclipse]

[QUOTE=Texal Tom;4906414]

Perhaps you mean to say you never noticed one that didn't resemble a town dump? Because the well-kept ones don't stand out.

Come to Cavan. Drive up Main Street, take a left just after Tesco, drive on up the hill and take a left at the T-junction. There, after about 50m on the left is a traveller maintained site. It's easy to miss though because it looks so ordinary.

Only you and others here can truly and honestly to yourselves answer the question of how many ye haven't noticed because your expectation was to see filth and dirt.[/QUOTE

I've seen quite a few and have yet to see a clean one - but that doesnt mean they don't exist as I haven't seen all of them

Would u like to live beside one or if a group of traveller pitched beside your house. B honest please

Unlike some people on this thread (and I don't mean you), I have no issue with being honest.

I have had travellers living next door and we had no problems with them. 

I'd have no problem who was next door to me as long as they were clean and well-behaved. That applies to everyone: Irish, British, gays, Travellers, Protestants, Jews, Polish, Meath people.....

[Impartial_Eclipse]

Are you being ironic? If not, you ought to get out more.

Yeah, check out Elliebee's stunningly detailed replies.

[Impartial_Eclipse]

Regardless of individual perspectives and subgroups within the Traveller community, it's clear that the vast majority of Travellers live largely off welfare and make little contribution in terms of tax. Their representative groups frequently try to justify these circumstances. Are these not facts? That they can be negatively interpreted is beside the point.

As to improving the lot of Travellers, I will maintain my point that public authorities, especially at central level, have attempted to come to terms with Travellers through fact-finding, studies, funding of NGOs and provision of welfare and accommodation. No-one would argue their response has been perfect. But it has been substantial, sustained and well intended.

I'm sure there have been plenty of individual success stories. However, social, educational and health outcomes for Travellers continue to be poor. The State has met Travellers more than half way. I personally think it is long past time that Travellers reciprocated.

It is my opinion that Travellers need to accept there are deficiencies in their lifestyle, and that they need to do a lot more to ensure the welfare of those in their community. I personally think that their representative groups need to accept that the poor image of Travellers is more than a perception based on the prejudice of others, and that this inhibits their integration into wider society. Travellers need to accept the concept of fixed abode for purposes of work, welfare and education of children. It may take decades for a meaningful solution to evolve. But all parties need to be honest before substantial progress can be made.

McDave,

I believe the above argument may be summarised as follows: if only Travellers would just settle down and live in houses, everything will be fine.

There's no doubt that that has worked in many cases - I know a number of settled travellers. 

But it fails to address the issue of members of the settled community who are hostile to having a Traveller next door or even in the same housing estate. That's a big barrier to getting Travellers to settle down.

[indy]

It's in the North West - directly behind a bank - suss the rest out yourself if that's o.k. Do you doubt me?

Why the mystery? Just curious, I broadly agree with your viewpoint, but can't understand why you won't just name the town. What do you have to lose?

[elliebee]

Why the mystery? Just curious, I broadly agree with your viewpoint, but can't understand why you won't just name the town. What do you have to lose?

I simply don't wish to let my hometown down by drawing attention to the fact that this lot are plonked spank in the centre of it. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. For the record I do know a couple of travellers who are really nice people (nothing to do with the carpark brigade though) and would not mind at all if they were living next door to me. Regarding the car park issue, the only person doing anything about it is the adjoining property owner who can ill afford the legal expense. Anyway this is all gone off topic I'm afraid.

[Odyessus]

There are many reasons why it can be in a child's best interests to attend one particular school over another.

For example, in the case of the Highschool in Clonmel, it has a much better reputation (and almost certainly ranks higher in league tables) than the alternative.

There are such schools all over the country and they are all over-subscribed for the very reasons you mention.

[Impartial_Eclipse]

I shouldn't have mentioned Travellers in the original post (although it would probably have leaked in at some point).

The central issue here is the State's support for a little educational club where membership and related privileges are largely inherited.

[McDave]

But it fails to address the issue of members of the settled community who are hostile to having a Traveller next door or even in the same housing estate. That's a big barrier to getting Travellers to settle down.

Like I said, it'll probably take decades to resolve many of the issues concerning the Traveller lifestyle. I personally think the first step is for NGOs to be honest and realistic. That's the first step to gaining trust. And without trust there will IMO be no sustainable, civilised solution.