Awareness of known history in setting up new schools in some areas in Dublin

[ger12]

Can anyone who knows Tyrellstown well or fairly well enlighten us to how many immigrants there are proportionally in the area? Because the last time I was up there I was canvassing for a party and 70%+ of the residents there were immigrants who were not registered to vote. This is another reason not to set up a Gaelscoil in the area I believe, although the school could be reflective of the population, but perhaps we should leave debating this question in depth to another thread?

Em, are the children of these immigrants not part of today's Ireland and surely as entitled as children whose parents were born here to avail of a bilingual education if the demand is there?

[DeGaulle 2.0]

Quite a lot of Dublin is built on land reclaimed from the sea ....

[Riadach]

Quite a lot of Dublin is built on land reclaimed from the sea ....

They can only be taught dolphin.

[harshreality]

I looked at the list of the primary and second-level Gaelscoileanna in Dublin today on the Gaelscoileanna Teo. website. There are nearly forty of them and they are continuing to grow in Dublin and nationally.

I was looking to see where they all are located and I found out that I think all of them in Dublin are located in areas with Gaelic history e.g. Tallaght (Tamhlacht), Clonsilla (Cluain Saileach), Cabra (Cabrach) etc.

I am starting this thread because a new Gaelscoil is planned to open in Tyrellstown in West Dublin in September and there is also a campaign for a new Gaelscoil in Carpenterstown in the same region.

I would like to see the Gaelscoileanna grow in Ireland but be overhauled.

However I don't think that Gaelscoileanna being Gaelic schools should be built in areas where there is no recorded Gaelic history.

There is no evidence of any Gaelic families living in the areas now known as Tyrellstown and Carpenterstown prior to to the Normans or their close descendents invading this part of North-West Dublin and taking the land as their own.

I wouldn't have a problem on this score with the Gaelscoil planned for Tyrellstown being built which I wanted since I heard about the campaign two or three years ago in some part of (real) Mulhuddart (Mullach Eadrad) and the Gaelscoil proposed for Carpenterstown being built in some other part of (real) Castleknock (Caisleán Cnucha)....

What do YOU think?

Gaelic history, gaelic families, are you for real? The Irish language does not belong to the descendants of these gaelic families you speak of, it belongs to the people of Ireland and those who learn it. Why should the presence of gaelic families dictate an element of Irish language education policy?

[DeGaulle 2.0]

They can only be taught dolphin.

The salmon of knowledge would have something to say about that.

[iago1709]

This seems to be a continuation of the debate ye were having yesterday on another thread that was originally on the more general issue of language learning in Ireland.
I too must admit that I fail to see where you are coming from on this one Darren. I think gaelscoileanna should be able to operate anywhere on the island of Ireland that there is a demand for them.

[Riadach]

The salmon of knowledge would have something to say about that.

Now now, that salmon has met his maker. Poor old Fintan was eaten, remember.

[Darren J. Prior]

Are you pissed off that these Gaelscoileanna are being set up without your involvement? Did their board of managements fail to give due deference to your efforts to promote the Irish language (i.e. campaigning for road names) in West Dublin? It certainly seems more realistic than your sorry attempts for justification above.

I have done I believe significantly more to promote the Irish language then assist to get new residential developments named in Irish. And the rest of your post is just strange.

Speaking of locally out my way I only started the below website last year and I was on Raidió na Gaeltachta and Raidió na Life about it and there were articles in Community Voice (sounds like a crap newsletter- but it is the best local paper in my area) and The Castleknock Gazette.

I know I have broken Irish. You do not need to be a fluent Irish speaker to value the Irish language.

You are studing for a PhD in Irish. My standard would be first year college and it's very hard to progress a lot past that if you aren't studying the language in college or have an Irish-speaking partner...

SIN É- Ag tacú leis an nGaeilge i Baile Átha Cliath 15

[Evil Eco-Fascist]

I looked at the list of the primary and second-level Gaelscoileanna in Dublin today on the Gaelscoileanna Teo. website. There are nearly forty of them and they are continuing to grow in Dublin and nationally.

I was looking to see where they all are located and I found out that I think all of them in Dublin are located in areas with Gaelic history e.g. Tallaght (Tamhlacht), Clonsilla (Cluain Saileach), Cabra (Cabrach) etc.

I am starting this thread because a new Gaelscoil is planned to open in Tyrellstown in West Dublin in September and there is also a campaign for a new Gaelscoil in Carpenterstown in the same region.

I would like to see the Gaelscoileanna grow in Ireland but be overhauled.

However I don't think that Gaelscoileanna being Gaelic schools should be built in areas where there is no recorded Gaelic history.

There is no evidence of any Gaelic families living in the areas now known as Tyrellstown and Carpenterstown prior to to the Normans or their close descendents invading this part of North-West Dublin and taking the land as their own.

I wouldn't have a problem on this score with the Gaelscoil planned for Tyrellstown being built which I wanted since I heard about the campaign two or three years ago in some part of (real) Mulhuddart (Mullach Eadrad) and the Gaelscoil proposed for Carpenterstown being built in some other part of (real) Castleknock (Caisleán Cnucha)....

What do YOU think?

You have some weird Irish-language related version of OCD.

[Riadach]

I know I have broken Irish. You do not need to be a fluent Irish speaker to value the Irish language.

Anyone who values the Irish language, pursues it till fluency. I have been on this site since 2007, and your standard hasn't visibly improved. My only conclusion is that you have more interest in promoting the language (on your own terms), than you have in learning it, which makes me wonder what aspect of the language you value.

My standard would be first year college and it's very hard to progress a lot past that if you aren't studying the language in college or have an Irish-speaking partner...

With the amount of courses out there, including immersion courses in the Gaeltacht, as well as Irish language resources, I have to disagree. Most of the Irish I learnt in college, was learnt in my own time and on my own terms. That's how languages are learnt after all.