Is € 23,350 net per year a fair salary for a fulltime newly qualified teacher?

[RobertW]

UPDATE: 01 FEBRUARY 2012

Govt suspends allowances for new teachers leaving a salary of € 27,814 (net approx €19,500)

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Unions demand return of teacher allowances - RT News

as the above link shows FG/Labour have suspended payments of allowances to newly qualified teachers leaving a newly qualified teacher with an honours degree with a GROSS annual wage at post primary level of € 27,814

This wage would be further reduced by approximately 30% in public sector levies and taxation to around € 19,500 per annum if it is assumed that that teacher picks up a full time post (which are virtually non-existant at present due to the public sector embargo).

Consequently teachers on pro-rata contracts would receive a wage considerably less than these figures quoted above.

Is this salary worth 7 years (4 year degree, "new" 2 year H.Dip.Ed and 1 year probation from Sept 2012) to become fully qualified and recognised as a teacher by the teaching council?

Throw in the lack of promotion, no prospect of a permanent job (i.e. moving from school to school), significant changes to the pension scheme whereby the new teacher will receive a final pension based on average career earnings and adhering to Croke Park and it is clear that our LABOUR minister for Education, Quinn, has no problem denigrating the profession of teaching with such a paltry wage and working circumstances.







26 JULY 2011

The Department of Education & Skills recently released circular 0040/2011.

http://www.asti.ie/uploads/media/004...ng_in_2011.pdf

This circular issues new pay rates for new entrants into the teaching profession.

A newly qualified teacher with an honours degree and honours teaching qualification would obtain the following GROSS annual wage at post primary level:

Salary: € 27814
H.Dip (Hons) € 1112
Deg Allowance € 4426

Gross Total: € 33352

Approximately 30 % of this wage would be returned to the Government in taxation and further public sector levies leaving a net salary of approximately € 23346 per year NET - or approximately € 450 per week NET. . . . .a figure of € 262 higher per week than those unemployed.

My questions are as follows:

Is a figure of € 23,346 net per year a fair sum of money to pay a qualified teacher with the responsibility (at second level) of educating and training up to 150-200 children per week?

This is a figure just €262 higher than those unemployed receive (without beneifts that the unemployed receive). What does it say about Ireland if in effect it is costing the state a couple of euro a student per week extra to employ a newly graduated teacher than if that person were unemployed?

These figures assume that the teacher has a full time contract - which most newly qualified teachers will not and so such figures would be significantly reduced as a consequence.

Furthermore a newly qualified teacher has no chance of promotion, no chance of permanency and is likely to lose their job if they do not meet the whims of their Principal, the parents or their children.

[Sailor]

The Department of Education & Skills recently released circular 0040/2011.

http://www.asti.ie/uploads/media/004...ng_in_2011.pdf

This circular issues new pay rates for new entrants into the teaching profession.

A newly qualified teacher with an honours degree and honours teaching qualification would obtain the following GROSS annual wage at post primary level:

Salary: € 27814
H.Dip (Hons) € 1112
Deg Allowance € 4426

Gross Total: € 33352

Approximately 30 % of this wage would be returned to the Government in taxation and further public sector levies leaving a gross salary of approximately € 23346 per year NET - or approximately € 450 per week NET. . . . .a figure of € 262 higher per week than those unemployed.

My questions is as follows:

Is a figure of € 23,346 net per year a fair sum of money to pay a qualified teacher with the responsibility (at second level) of educating and training up to 150-200 children per week?

This is a figure just €262 higher than those unemployed receive (without beneifts that the unemployed receive). What does it say about Ireland if in effect it is costing the state a couple of euro a student per week extra to employ a newly graduated teacher than if that person were unemployed?

These figures assume that the teacher has a full time contract - which most newly qualified teachers will not and so such figures would be significantly reduced as a consequence.

Furthermore a newly qualified teacher has no chance of promotion, no chance of permanency,and is likely to lose their job if they do not meet the whims of their Principal, the parents of their children.

What are the comparable figures for 1) the UK and 2) other PIIGS countries?

[jo9jo]

The salary is fair for the teachers. However, there should also be a performance related bonus based on exam results.
Thereby, good and bad teachers could be determined.
Bad teachers should be given 2 years to improve, or else get sacked.
Class sizes also need to be reduced.

[Odyessus]

The Department of Education & Skills recently released circular 0040/2011.

http://www.asti.ie/uploads/media/004...ng_in_2011.pdf

This circular issues new pay rates for new entrants into the teaching profession.

A newly qualified teacher with an honours degree and honours teaching qualification would obtain the following GROSS annual wage at post primary level:

Salary: € 27814
H.Dip (Hons) € 1112
Deg Allowance € 4426

Gross Total: € 33352

Approximately 30 % of this wage would be returned to the Government in taxation and further public sector levies leaving a gross salary of approximately € 23346 per year NET - or approximately € 450 per week NET. . . . .a figure of € 262 higher per week than those unemployed.

My questions is as follows:

Is a figure of € 23,346 net per year a fair sum of money to pay a qualified teacher with the responsibility (at second level) of educating and training up to 150-200 children per week?

This is a figure just €262 higher than those unemployed receive (without beneifts that the unemployed receive). What does it say about Ireland if in effect it is costing the state a couple of euro a student per week extra to employ a newly graduated teacher than if that person were unemployed?

These figures assume that the teacher has a full time contract - which most newly qualified teachers will not and so such figures would be significantly reduced as a consequence.

Furthermore a newly qualified teacher has no chance of promotion, no chance of permanency and is likely to lose their job if they do not meet the whims of their Principal, the parents of their children.

What would you consider a fair salary?

P.S. Why would a newly qualified teacher have no chance of permanency or promotion?

[RobertW]

The salary is fair for the teachers. However, there should also be a performance related bonus based on exam results.
Thereby, good and bad teachers could be determined.
Bad teachers should be given 2 years to improve, or else get sacked.
Class sizes also need to be reduced.

So teachers in Blackrock College would receive pay rises whilst those in Ballyfermot tech would receive pay deductions.

Your problem is that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[Lain2016]

What are the comparable figures for 1) the UK and 2) other PIIGS countries?

Why are you comparing Irish teachers with the UK?

Why are you calling people PIIGS - surely with the imminent demise of the scumbag Murdocs and their gutter press ethics its time to confront the use of latent racist terminology like this?

[punchdrunk]

The Department of Education & Skills recently released circular 0040/2011.

http://www.asti.ie/uploads/media/004...ng_in_2011.pdf

This circular issues new pay rates for new entrants into the teaching profession.

A newly qualified teacher with an honours degree and honours teaching qualification would obtain the following GROSS annual wage at post primary level:

Salary: € 27814
H.Dip (Hons) € 1112
Deg Allowance € 4426

Gross Total: € 33352

Approximately 30 % of this wage would be returned to the Government in taxation and further public sector levies leaving a gross salary of approximately € 23346 per year NET - or approximately € 450 per week NET. . . . .a figure of € 262 higher per week than those unemployed.

My questions is as follows:

Is a figure of € 23,346 net per year a fair sum of money to pay a qualified teacher with the responsibility (at second level) of educating and training up to 150-200 children per week?

This is a figure just €262 higher than those unemployed receive (without beneifts that the unemployed receive). What does it say about Ireland if in effect it is costing the state a couple of euro a student per week extra to employ a newly graduated teacher than if that person were unemployed?

These figures assume that the teacher has a full time contract - which most newly qualified teachers will not and so such figures would be significantly reduced as a consequence.

Furthermore a newly qualified teacher has no chance of promotion, no chance of permanency and is likely to lose their job if they do not meet the whims of their Principal, the parents of their children.

[Monday Monday]

I think that is a fair salary given qualifications, experience (ie zero) and the 167 days worked in a year.

Lack of opportunity, contracts, being at the "whim" of your boss...join the club.

[RobertW]

What are the comparable figures for 1) the UK and 2) other PIIGS countries?

Why don't you answer the questions that I asked?

This is not the UK or Greece or Portugal or Italy.

[jo9jo]

So teachers in Blackrock College would receive pay rises whilst those in Ballyfermot tech would receive pay deductions.

Your problem is that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

A good teacher stays with you for a lifetime.
A bad teacher stays with yiu also for a lifetime.

There are crap teachers in Blackrock just as thee are great teachers in Tallagh.
What point are you trying to make?