Is € 23,350 net per year a fair salary for a fulltime newly qualified teacher?

[darkhorse]

A gross salary of €33,352 p.a. to a anyone who is newly qualified and without any work experience seems very generous
Very few other jobs would pay such a starting salary to new graduates

[tokkie]

The Department of Education & Skills recently released circular 0040/2011.

http://www.asti.ie/uploads/media/004...ng_in_2011.pdf

This circular issues new pay rates for new entrants into the teaching profession.

A newly qualified teacher with an honours degree and honours teaching qualification would obtain the following GROSS annual wage at post primary level:

Salary: € 27814
H.Dip (Hons) € 1112
Deg Allowance € 4426

Gross Total: € 33352

Approximately 30 % of this wage would be returned to the Government in taxation and further public sector levies leaving a gross salary of approximately € 23346 per year NET - or approximately € 450 per week NET. . . . .a figure of € 262 higher per week than those unemployed.

My questions are as follows:

Is a figure of € 23,346 net per year a fair sum of money to pay a qualified teacher with the responsibility (at second level) of educating and training up to 150-200 children per week?

This is a figure just €262 higher than those unemployed receive (without beneifts that the unemployed receive). What does it say about Ireland if in effect it is costing the state a couple of euro a student per week extra to employ a newly graduated teacher than if that person were unemployed?

These figures assume that the teacher has a full time contract - which most newly qualified teachers will not and so such figures would be significantly reduced as a consequence.

Furthermore a newly qualified teacher has no chance of promotion, no chance of permanency and is likely to lose their job if they do not meet the whims of their Principal, the parents of their children.

Interesting post Robert. Good luck with it too. I haven't read any of the other posts as undoubtedly they are in the main anti PS nonsense rather than an actual cool analysis of the OP you have raised. IMO for what it's worth is that it is a good starting salary.

[Dunlin3]

I was pointing out what I regarded as the most appropriate benchmarks.

Don't mention benchmarks, one ex teacher thought a benchmark was a cash machine remember! It never occurred to them to benchmark themselves against our neighbours and similar sized countries in the EU.

[gatsbygirl20]

Ah yes, the public sector mindset and its sense of entitlement.

It's something to behold, isn't it.

How does the question asked by RobertW presume a "sense of entitlement"? He has merely asked a question, not expressed an "entitlement" to anything--except perhaps an answer

Hardly an example of a "public sector mindset", surely?

[RobertW]

I was pointing out what I regarded as the most appropriate benchmarks.

Have you benchmarked your own salary against an equivalent in Greece or Portugal?

Tell us how much more you would be earning in Greece or Portugal then.

[Monday Monday]

Considering the job is so well paying for an entry level post I hope the new teachers are giving 100% in their role as educators.

And I say that without rancour.

It is right an proper that well qualified junior teachers should be paid well.

[plantfirmly]

3 odd months off during the summer as has been pointed out. You could easily earn another 3K there doing nixers... or you could sit on your arse.

[Goodbody]

How does the question asked by RobertW presume a "sense of entitlement"? He has merely asked a question, not expressed an "entitlement" to anything--except perhaps an answer

Hardly an example of a "public sector mindset", surely?

No, but your knee-jerk popping up on every thread mentioning the public sector would be an example of a "public sector mindset".

[making waves]

I think that is a fair salary given qualifications, experience (ie zero) and the 167 days worked in a year.

I have been a teacher for five years - I have a first class honours degree, first class honours H-Dip and a PhD. Last year my gross salary was €28347. I also worked a hell of a lot more than 167 days last year.

P.S. Why would a newly qualified teacher have no chance of permanency or promotion?

Last year the school I was teaching in had 60 teachers - the last permanent contract was handed out in 1993. There have been no promotions in the school for the past two years because of a government moratorium on filling promotion posts.

I still do not know if I will have a job in September - but on the off chance I might I have been spending two to three hours a day doing preparation work for my subjects for the past month and I will be increasing that over the next four weeks.

[Sailor]

Have you benchmarked your own salary against an equivalent in Greece or Portugal?

Tell us how much more you would be earning in Greece or Portugal then.

My income is not the topic of the thread - so let's stick with the issue you raised. The only comparison I can give you is in respect of Spain where you would start on less than the figure you quote except it would your gross and you would never progress much beyond 30k gross!!