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    Quote Originally Posted by paulp View Post
    Prove God doesn't
    Care to define your particular Superhuman being.

    The force that left this planet an unfinished still burning globe with a very thin skin, and then populated it with insane and delicate animals like us?

    Now tell me you are serious.

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    Anyone read his latest book - his theories are pretty wild - I wonder will anyone verify parts of them?

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    Validity of Big Bang Model

    It sounds ridiculous that you attach more importance to the affiliation of a scientist than to the content of a scientific research paper published in a peer-reviewed international journal. Had it been so, my research papers titled "Origin of Life" and "Big Bang Model? A Critical Review" could not have been published in the prestigious European journal, 'Astrophysics & Space Science' and the US journal, 'Journal of Cosmology'. I am afraid, you are aware of the process of acceptance of a scientific research paper in any peer-reviewed international journal.

    I personally hold Stephen Hawking in very high esteem. It nonetheless does not mean whatever he writes will be acceptable to everbody.It is wrong to presume that he is infallible.I reiterate, Hawking appears to have wrongly referred to the ‘Big Bang Model’ as the viable explanation for origin of the universe in his latest book, 'The Grand Design'. I am not opposing the largely accepted hypothesis just for the heck of it. There are genuine reasons for this. I have detailed the prominent inconsistencies with the said model in my paper titled "Big Bang Model? A Critical Review" published in the peer-reviewed US journal, ‘Journal of Cosmology’ modified version of which is posted at the website: http://vixra.org/pdf/1005.0051v8.pdf . The redshift controversy, presence of full-bloomed galaxies in the very early epoch of the universe, and presence of superclusters of galaxies and supervoids in the cosmos are some of the unsolved mysteries which are inexplicable by the Big Bang model. It is ironic that the mainstream cosmologists have remained indifferent to admit the cosmological realities despite the loopholes with the said model repeatedly being pointed out from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    In usual fashion whiner Hawkings fails to answer the question as to why either existence itself or matter exists.

    Neither idiot :S.Hawkings nor bitter clown R.Dawkins explain how mathematical order emerged from chaos to pervade the universe
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    Quote Originally Posted by justme1 View Post
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    Applauding dishonesty is not very smart.

    Do you really admire it?

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    Latest game now is to say there really was something before the big bang. Until recently physicists arrogantly rejected any suggestion of a "before" as undefinable nonsense. Not any more it seems.

    These guys are definitley making it up as they go along. Make any guess about how the Universe formed and it's probably as good as anything that Hawking, or Hubble or anybody else comes up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalywise View Post
    Latest game now is to say there really was something before the big bang. Until recently physicists arrogantly rejected any suggestion of a "before" as undefinable nonsense. Not any more it seems.
    There is the idea of an oscillating universe. One that collapses into a big crunch, then there is a big bang then it collapses and so on with no information allowed to pass between the stages of collapse. This idea is a good few decades old.

    These guys are definitley making it up as they go along. Make any guess about how the Universe formed and it's probably as good as anything that Hawking, or Hubble or anybody else comes up with.
    What, you mean like Jesus made the Universe, it was his school project or something?

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    But what preceded the big bang if there ever was one. If you accept that the material universe is a consequence of it then what came before it and how do these "its" exist forever in the past and outside of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister_Jinks View Post
    But what preceded the big bang if there ever was one. If you accept that the material universe is a consequence of it then what came before it and how do these "its" exist forever in the past and outside of time?
    The "Big Bang" is often addressed by Cosmologists. There are plenty of DVD and TV Documentaries. I have seen dozens of them.

    It's my belief we will never know anything about the time before the Big Bang. Some knowledge will always remain incomprehensible to us.

    There again, some bright spark..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    Care to define your particular Superhuman being.

    The force that left this planet an unfinished still burning globe with a very thin skin, and then populated it with insane and delicate animals like us?

    Now tell me you are serious.

    A Super being, a.k.a. creator that created the universe as we understand it today.

    The creator also has an audience of billions of what we call souls. These souls drift the universe marvelling at the creators work.

    On occasion, they will drift into a community (planet) and be born in that community in the sense we understand being born today, but are only tied to this community by a thin cord, the cord growing longer the longer you live.

    These cords are cut at random, though the longer you live the greater the chance your cord will be cut. When cut, the soul would again drift the universe and would join another community at some stage - there are millions of these communities in the universe.

    For the duration of a souls stay in a community - they have no recollection of their existence before they joined - though the creator does send gentle reminders on occasion.

    Now me, I'm in no rush for my cord to be cut, but don't fear the moment either. A while travelling the cosmos, hanging with the creator, and then maybe finding somewhere else cool to start another adventure.


    I'm not going to tell you I'm serious, but go on, admit it, it's more entertaining than 'there's nothing'.

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