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    Quote Originally Posted by factual View Post
    I very much welcome this - its important to move away from our system and more to a more secular one.
    Like all secularists you are deluded.

    [1]The OP has provided no evidence at all to back up the story

    [2] Ireland is nominally 85% Christian. Non Christians = perhaps 5%.
    Secularists atheists liberals and other similiar deluded types=at most
    2%.
    [3] Democracy is important and Iireland being democratic it is essential & important that denominational non secular education be provided to the vast majority of its citizens who want it.

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    Details are sketchy but this could be a good move.

    The Church is frustrated with the burden of having to operate quasi-secular schools and have been trying for some time to get the State more involved.

    In reality, the State is quite hapy to divest itself of control.

    However, demographic changes, parental demands, and the multiplicity of religions have forced the State to get involved.

    The hope in the Church is that the schools who remain within it's sphere will become more devout and concentrate more on the religious upbringing of children.

    Within Church circles, divesting itself of the necessity of running quasi-secular schools is seen as the beginning of an evangelical renewal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deiseguy View Post

    The state already has a big say in the administration of schools from the makeup of the boards and the training of parent members of school boards to the curriculum that must be taught in the schools.
    The state has no input into who sits on the board except in schools run by VECs.

    By and large, schools are owned and run by non-state entities, (usually some church or other), which are completely unaccountable, and in many cases, secretive. For all its flaws, (and there are many), at least the workings of the state are subject to some level of public scrutiny. Effectively the state has outsourced the education of young people to a the private sector.

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    Also being reported by the Irish Examiner

    Link: Government to take control of some Catholic schools | Irish Examiner

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    Religion has no place in schools, if people wish to train their kids to believe in their own worldview in their own time that's fine but the state paying for teaching of religious dogma is unacceptable.

    Personally I'm glad that this change is happening, however slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazlitt View Post
    Also being reported by the Irish Examiner

    Link: Government to take control of some Catholic schools | Irish Examiner

    Very encouraging.
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    According to the Irish Catholic the article should be uploaded to the website today at some stage, it was written by Gary O'Sullivan and Aoife Heggarty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrynesaver View Post
    the state paying for teaching of religious dogma is unacceptable.
    The "State" doesn't pay for anything. The taxpayers do, and many are Christians. If they want some of their taxes to pay for religious education, that is democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrynesaver View Post
    Religion has no place in schools, if people wish to train their kids to believe in their own worldview in their own time that's fine but the state paying for teaching of religious dogma is unacceptable.

    Personally I'm glad that this change is happening, however slowly.
    Rubbish.

    Taxpayers, the vast majority of whom are religious, pay for compulsory education in national schools, not the government.

    [Skrynesaver is deluded into thinking that the govt is entirely independent of the taxpayer]

    In a democracy it is normal to respect the wishes of the vast majority who desire a denominational element in their childrens compulsory state education.

    Skrynesaver clearly admires the Marxist,Soviet system of compulsory state indoctrination where parents have no say whatever in what beliefs their children are taught

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    The "State" does pay for anything. The taxpayers do, and many are Christians. If they want some of their taxes to pay for religious education, that is democracy.
    Skyrnesaver ,like most deluded secularists, has real trouble understanding that simple and precise equation.

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