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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Your warped worldview prevents you from accepting this reality, and instead you pretend that reallocations and reprioritisations of resources by line management "proves" that your prejudices are a reality.
    "Reallocations and reprioritisations of resources" which hit the most disadvantaged in our society (yet again). You are a coward to try to disassociate the Green Party from these decisions.

    Care to address any of these education cuts specifically?

    1. A massive €2 billion in the Capital Expenditure Programme in Education announced this week.

    2. "Funding the University sector in Ireland" - The extent of the financial and operational crisis facing the university sector has been outlined in a stark letter sent to the seven presidents by Higher Education Authority (HEA) chief executive Tom Boland. He tells the colleges to brace themselves for an unprecedented range of cuts over the next year as the Government seeks to achieve €3 billion in overall exchequer savings. It is a bleak scenario.

    3. "30 disadvantaged schools to lose librarians" - June 2010, It has been announced that up to 30 of the country's most disadvantaged schools are to lose librarian services that were granted in an attempt to boost literacy levels. Tánaiste and Minister for Education Mary Coughlan has confirmed that the contracts of many of the librarians working on the scheme will not be renewed over the summer. €9m has been invested to open the libraries.

    4. "FF/Green Party announce 353 fewer SNA posts" - March 2010, Minister for Education Mary Coughlan has told the Dáil that 353 fewer special needs assistants will be sanctioned following completion of a review of special education.

    5. This document from UCD "Education policy choices in an economic downturn" outlines additional education cuts - Professor Sheelagh Drudy says. “The December 2009 budget extended the cuts in education. The 2008 October budget set out a programme of cuts in services which included an increase in class sizes in primary and post-primary schools, and a consequent loss of teaching posts, cuts in the allocations to teacher professional development, cuts in higher education funding and cutbacks on a range of schemes designed to support disadvantaged and marginalised pupils.” Commenting on impact of the 2009 budget cuts, Drudy noted that education cuts amounted to €134 million ...

    6. The National Association of VTOS Co-ordinators - The loss of the maintenance grant for VTOS students doing PLC courses, uneven though it was, will make progression for our graduates more difficult

    7. Further education cuts are outlined in the "Summary of 2010 Budget Measures".



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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    I never "claimed" that you suffer from a mental illness, I merely pointed out that it has been suggested as one possible cause for your pathological behaviour.
    One man's "pathological behaviour" is another man's "truth and fact". Especially in the Green Party these days, eh SPiN?

    The funny thing SPiN, is that I know who you are. Even though I think little of you as a person, I would never refer to your gender or disclose your indetity here in any way. I would also never make any personal attacks on your mental health (veiled or otherwise). I could make this very dirty and disclose a lot of things about you if I wanted, but I'd never stoop that low.

    I'll let people reading this decide on which of us has the more stable mental state. People will also decide who is SPiNning and who is telling the truth.




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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanFrog View Post
    One man's "pathological behaviour" is another man's "truth and fact". Especially in the Green Party these days, eh SPiN?
    The Greens stick to the truth and fact. We'll leave the other to people who are more qualified in its use.


    I could make this very dirty and disclose a lot of things about you if I wanted, but I'd never stoop that low.
    Whilst it is quite possible that you could "disclose dirt" on me, it would undoubtedly be more of the fantasyland makey-uppy nonsense that has been your stock in trade.


    I'll let people reading this decide on which of us has the more stable mental state. People will also decide who is SPiNning and who is telling the truth.
    This coming from the person who famously claimed on P.ie that John Gormley was corrupt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post



    This coming from the person who famously claimed on P.ie that John Gormley was corrupt?
    Gormley is too stupid to be corrupt. He is more likely a cute hoor as are his FF bedfellows.
    Politicians do not stand for anything beyond whatever they think will get them elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengoose2 View Post
    Gormley is too stupid to be corrupt. He is more likely a cute hoor as are his FF bedfellows.
    Unfortunately Gormley is only in the tuppenny place when it comes to cute hoorism. There is no way he'll ever be able to compete with FF, FG and Labour in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Since Froggie's very first post I have found that her malicious twisting of facts, misrepresentation, and barefaced lies to be highly offensive.
    So why do you engage? You're troll fodder.
    A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump View Post
    So why do you engage? You're troll fodder.
    There's a certain malice and deviousness in Froggie's posts. The way she phrases things so as to pretend there is substance to completely outrageous notions and give credibility to barefaced lies.

    I normally avoid Trolls like the plague, but someone has to stand up and call bullsh!t on Froggies deceptions, otherwise some people might believe there is merit in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Unfortunately Gormley is only in the tuppenny place when it comes to cute hoorism. There is no way he'll ever be able to compete with FF, FG and Labour in that game.

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    He would consider himself a smart cookie and a fast learner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    There's a certain malice and deviousness in Froggie's posts. The way she phrases things so as to pretend there is substance to completely outrageous notions and give credibility to barefaced lies.

    I normally avoid Trolls like the plague, but someone has to stand up and call bullsh!t on Froggies deceptions, otherwise some people might believe there is merit in them.

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    You should repeat that a few times while looking into a mirror. You might surprise yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toughbutfair View Post
    It is a bit silly to oppose any cut but not come up with your own specific cut.
    Not as silly as opposing the cuts in your press releases and then supporting them by trooping through the Dail lobbies.

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