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    Michael Woods gifted us an oppurtunity to secularize the schools

    In his infinite wisdom, in 2002 then minister Michael Woods capped the amount of damages the church can be liable for in the child sex abuse claims is EUR128 million with the state liable for the rest. This amount could reach as much as 1.35 billion. As the state is bearing the brunt of the cost, the state should demand the title deeds to the church run schools as and they should be secularized.
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    what if i want to send my child to a church run school? you are aware that to be fair and non sectarian all the protestant,muslim and jewish schools would have to be secularised as well,

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    The church (any church) IMO has no place in state run education. The educate together model would be a good template.
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    What's the LTEV for the Catholic Church then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    what if i want to send my child to a church run school? you are aware that to be fair and non sectarian all the protestant,muslim and jewish schools would have to be secularised as well,
    Agreed, get rid of the whole lot of 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    what if i want to send my child to a church run school? you are aware that to be fair and non sectarian all the protestant,muslim and jewish schools would have to be secularised as well,
    If they want to receive state funds they should be secularised. If they are paying their own way they can teach the flying spaghetti monster created the whole world for all I care.
    The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

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    in a local town there are 4 secondary schools ,one is a gaelscoil and has small numbers and has high results, one is a convent and has high marks the same for the church owned college, the 4th is a VEC run school that has poor results and huge dropout problems can you see what i'm getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    in a local town there are 4 secondary schools ,one is a gaelscoil and has small numbers and has high results, one is a convent and has high marks the same for the church owned college, the 4th is a VEC run school that has poor results and huge dropout problems can you see what i'm getting at.
    You are confusing correlation with causality?

    This anecdote doesn't prove anything!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballot stuffer View Post
    If they want to receive state funds they should be secularised. If they are paying their own way they can teach the flying spaghetti monster created the whole world for all I care.
    lmao :mrgreen:

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    what if i want to send my child to a church run school? you are aware that to be fair and non sectarian all the protestant,muslim and jewish schools would have to be secularised as well,
    In fairness, that's not how I read the OP. All he's saying (I don't even know if Micheal Woods decision can be rescinded to do this) is that if the Catholic Church wants the State to pay for child abuse, then the State should get the schools to offset against those payments.

    Clearly, if a Jewish school had an expensive child abuse case, the same logic would apply. You'll understand, the other denominations haven't (yet, at least) demonstrated that children cannot be left safely in their care. Although, IIRC, there is an issue about the educational standards in at least one Muslim primary school.
    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    in a local town there are 4 secondary schools ,one is a gaelscoil and has small numbers and has high results, one is a convent and has high marks the same for the church owned college, the 4th is a VEC run school that has poor results and huge dropout problems can you see what i'm getting at.
    I think I see what you are getting at. That the Church provides a good standard of education, and only asks in return that its clergy be allowed to use children as sex toys without consequences.
    However, banks know they have a duty of care to their clients and I'm sure that this should prevent them lending irresponsibly.


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