nope right now its TAXPAYERS who pay the lions share of education costs - catholic, protestant, muslim, atheist TAXPAYERS.Originally Posted by Half Nelson
And all polls (even those carried out by catholic organisations) show that fewer and fewer people want religious running our schools
No it's not, because taxation is applied equally.
Church members currently pay more towards education than non-members (to the tune of 100k, as I mentioned). Their money is where their mouth is. They fund education for believers and non-believers alike.
The likes of ET do similar but if the state takes over all then it will fall to taxation to fund education, at the behest of the DoEd.
And we know what a wonderful job its doing now ... with the extra funding.
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and discombobulated secularism, unable to assert itself positively...asserts itself ..repressively."
If you're seriously suggesting that any substantial proportion of the education costs of non-fee-paying catholic schools do not ultimately come from the exchequer, then you're short of evidence.
Do you have such evidence or is your case based on something you heard at an Opus coffee morning?
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You're trying to argue with a fact. We all pay taxes but some of us pay extra towards education.
Let those who would remove the Church from education come up with costed proposals instead of the current hyperbole.
I'm sure many church-goers would love to keep more of their money for their own families, secure in the knowledge that the State will take up the slack.
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linky please - I'd imagine that the local community are contributing this money - ie it's coming from local people - those of the denomination of the schools patron and those not. I doubt strongly that a cheue is being cut from privately held money of the local pp etc. Although I suppose there is an outside possibility that this might be the case.
All schools are chronically underfunded by dept of edu (and in fairness to them this is done equally to all types of schools) and the shortfall is generally made up from "voluntary" donation and extortion from school and local community
I'm expressing the doubt that the Catholic Church ultimately provides any substantial funds for educational provision in Catholic schools.
Do you have figures on how much it provides and from where the money ultimately comes?
I've never seen such figures myself.
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as I said in my post above - please provide evidence of this extra pot of dosh being supplied from church goers and what percentage of running costs does it contribute.
I know all about the substantial proportion. I'm talking about the rest, like the 100k+ mentioned.
Have you ever tried to fundraise 100k? If so, you know what a huge job it is.
Do you think the DoEd will dish it out to every community on top of current expenditure?
As I said - Bill please?
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and discombobulated secularism, unable to assert itself positively...asserts itself ..repressively."
Aren't you conflating "Church members" with "taxpayers" here? While there are substantial numbers of Mass-attenders, that's weighted heavily towards over-65s. Not typically parents of school-children. Not, for that matter, the largest contributors to the tax-take.
Given the near monopoly that the RCC has built up over the years, how much choice do parents really have but to send them to Catholic-controlled schools?
It's no longer accurate to talk about the Church 'providing' education: the State does, but the Church retains control. When the question is framed that way, the difference is notable. There's at least one poll that shows a majority who want the RCC to give up control of schools.
When I hear performances like we've been getting from Brady & co recently, I have to conclude that the institution that was entrusted with running education (and health) for so long is utterly dysfunctional andout of touch, and urgently needs to be replaced.
On elite Catholic secondary schools, I think they're an anachronism. Yes, the education can be excellent, but they reinforce values and attitudes that are the antithesis of what the RCC professes to be its core message.
sigh - so you've no proof of this dosh from any church coffers eh?
I know well how hard it is to raise funds for schools - I've been involved in setting up a school and have been on a BOM for almost 9 years. I know the deficit between what it costs to run our school and what the dept funds (so far has ranged between 35 and 95k per annum) - all of which is raised from local and school community
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