Michael Woods gifted us an oppurtunity to secularize the schools

[Half Nelson]

If they want to receive state funds they should be secularised. If they are paying their own way they can teach the flying spaghetti monster created the whole world for all I care.

We see it elsewhere. Where the bulk of education is secular, the churches set up private fee-paying schools, which employ the best teachers and provide the best education, with no 'riff-raff'.
The result is that the best education is reserved for the rich with a fall in standards and poorly motivated staff amongst the rest.
I've seen, first hand, the process in action. The two children were removed from the secular school and educated privately by a church, at considerable expense.
In Britain and the US the private, fee-paying Catholic schools are very highly regarded.

[charley]

In fairness, that's not how I read the OP. All he's saying (I don't even know if Micheal Woods decision can be rescinded to do this) is that if the Catholic Church wants the State to pay for child abuse, then the State should get the schools to offset against those payments.

Clearly, if a Jewish school had an expensive child abuse case, the same logic would apply. You'll understand, the other denominations haven't (yet, at least) demonstrated that children cannot be left safely in their care. Although, IIRC, there is an issue about the educational standards in at least one Muslim primary school.I think I see what you are getting at. That the Church provides a good standard of education, and only asks in return that its clergy be allowed to use children as sex toys without consequences.

i went to a school that had the local parish priest as its chairman ,the priest was present in the my classroom on 2 occasions ,to talk to the class before communion and then again before confirmation, the place you talk about where paedoes stalk the classroom is bewildering, the main reason the state hasn't taken over all schools is that they would be legally bound to provide buildings fit for purpose,at the moment having a third party in charge exempts them from this.

[just4ever]

In fairness, that's not how I read the OP. All he's saying (I don't even know if Micheal Woods decision can be rescinded to do this) is that if the Catholic Church wants the State to pay for child abuse, then the State should get the schools to offset against those payments.

Clearly, if a Jewish school had an expensive child abuse case, the same logic would apply. You'll understand, the other denominations haven't (yet, at least) demonstrated that children cannot be left safely in their care. Although, IIRC, there is an issue about the educational standards in at least one Muslim primary school.I think I see what you are getting at. That the Church provides a good standard of education, and only asks in return that its clergy be allowed to use children as sex toys without consequences.

Thank you Schuhart, that's exactly what I meant.

[just4ever]

i went to a school that had the local parish priest as its chairman ,the priest was present in the my classroom on 2 occasions ,to talk to the class before communion and then again before confirmation, the place you talk about where paedoes stalk the classroom is bewildering, the main reason the state hasn't taken over all schools is that they would be legally bound to provide buildings fit for purpose,at the moment having a third party in charge exempts them from this.

Well it's about time that pupils learned in bulidings that are fit for purpose. The days of 40 children crammed into a prefab should have finished in the sixties. That this practice continues in this day and age leaves me absolutely horrified.

[ballot stuffer]

We see it elsewhere. Where the bulk of education is secular, the churches set up private fee-paying schools, which employ the best teachers and provide the best education, with no 'riff-raff'.
The result is that the best education is reserved for the rich with a fall in standards and poorly motivated staff amongst the rest.
I've seen, first hand, the process in action. The two children were removed from the secular school and educated privately by a church, at considerable expense.
In Britain and the US the private, fee-paying Catholic schools are very highly regarded.

Our best fee paying schools are Catholic run. Are crappiest schools are also for the most part Catholic run. What is your point?

[Half Nelson]

i went to a school that had the local parish priest as its chairman ,the priest was present in the my classroom on 2 occasions ,to talk to the class before communion and then again before confirmation, the place you talk about where paedoes stalk the classroom is bewildering, the main reason the state hasn't taken over all schools is that they would be legally bound to provide buildings fit for purpose,at the moment having a third party in charge exempts them from this.

Ah yes, the little matter of The Bill.
According to a recent announcement, a nearby parish is putting over 100,000 towards the cost of a school. I'm sure the secularist lobby will be only too happy to pay the extra taxes it will take to pay fully for education.

Secular education equals increased taxes or worse still, but more likely, there will be no extra taxes, with the consequent fall in standards.
Under secularism, the very people expected to fund education are the same people who are now miserably failing to do so.

[Half Nelson]

Our best fee paying schools are Catholic run. Are crappiest schools are also for the most part Catholic run. What is your point?

The best schools will be Catholic and exclusive while the crappiest schools will become secular and crappier.

[Toland]

I wonder what sort of price a building and piece of land zoned exclusively for use in primary education but in receipt of no public funding (including the salaries of the teachers) would fetch?

The bill might not be quite as high as one might think.

[Half Nelson]

I wonder what sort of price a building and piece of land zoned exclusively for use in primary education but in receipt of no public funding (including the salaries of the teachers) would fetch?

The bill might not be quite as high as one might think.

Maybe you're right, but while we hear a lot of noise about removing the Church from education, nobody has prepared the Bill.

Talk is cheap but right now it's the Church members who pay the lion's share of education through their taxes plus contributions.

Is there a secular equivalent of the Sunday Plate?

[Toland]

Is there a secular equivalent of the Sunday Plate?

Yes.

It's called taxation.