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About LinkBacksLol, the MPAC guys picked up on this too. There's no evidence whatsoever for the existence of alien life, yet people like Hawkings can claim belief without so much as a snigger. Hawkings and Little Green Men|MPAC.ieOriginally Posted by Foghorn
Lol, the MPAC guys picked up on this too. There's no evidence whatsoever for the existence of alien life, yet people like Hawkings can claim belief without so much as a snigger. Hawkings and Little Green Men|MPAC.ie
If a more advanced Alien civilization was interested in colonizing our planet then they would have already done so and we would not be here now. Any civilization capable of exploring the stars would know where all the habitable planets were beforehand. We are a long way from developing interstellar travel, let alone being able to do it easily and we can see planets around some of the neighbouring star systems already.
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When Hawking claims that he has the moral right to kill those who used to believe in alien life but since changed their minds, then the sniggering will commence.
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I must admit that i find these kinds of positions unusual coming from a physicist of Hawkings' reputation, this alien stuff is science fiction completely - but it is to go even further down that road to suggest that aliens may be dangerous and maybe we shouldn't be broadcasting ourselves to them. On the positive side it makes the whole field of cosmology more 'exciting' and forces us to think of the dark skies as less like a boring, unchanging laboratory specimen and more like the raging seas of the Atlantic (to an Indian in 1491).
They have had at least a billion years to stripmine or colonise this planet, why bother showing up now in the narrow window that we happen to be our busiest on it (and in the even narrower window that we have begun to think about aliens (last two centuries or so)? Does our presence make the Earth more attractive for these purposes in any way? Is there any support for the theory that evolution throughout the galaxy on life-capable worlds might have evolved roughly at the same pace so that advanced civilisations would flower simultaneously (so to speak) around the same time (explaining why they would only show up now that we are becoming advanced)? I don't think so.
Hawkins is known as a strong pessimist on matters of the future and the probability of mankind's survival.
We do not know enough about the formation of life spawning planets and how they are linked to the motion of our galaxy. From what I know our galaxy is made up of a number of spiral arms with matter flowing out of the center of the galaxy forming stars that live their lives as they spiral out. Assuming life forms on different planets at the same rate around similar type stars then we could say that this is true.
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Why not assume that there is a god, or a godlike race of aliens, immortal, who decided to create a world where immortality did not exist. Why, well, to see what would happen to creatures that die, of course, and because god or gods are bored.
"Well,fúck my old boots", says one immortal alien to another, "they actually think its advantageous to be mortal. Look at them, slaughtering each other like billio. Anyone would think they believed in an afterlife".
"I warned youse lot not to give them an imagination. What did I say? All it will take is one of us visiting them, having a chat with them and before you can blink, they'll believe we are gods. But would you listen? No" You had to go down there and show off, you eejit. Now they think they are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Super Super Beings. How are we going to tell them that they were a by-product of the Ape, something we never expected. A bloody mistake. And what are we going to tell the insects now, after us promising them they would inherit the Earth. We hould put an end to this experiment before its totally out of control. All in favour ......"
Assuming that the moment when evolution would begin is linked to the behaviour of the galaxy as a whole and assuming that evolution would go by a timer from the moment it started to an advanced state (so this is roughly the same in all worlds) - this would still leave a huge window in which advanced civilisation could mature in a certain part of the galaxy - we would still be talking several hundred million years. My point is that there is no reason why we should expect them to show up any time soon if they didn't come 200,000 or 200,000,000 years ago to do what Hawking fears they could tomorrow - ie stripmine our planet or enslave us (i personally think a civilisation advanced enough to reach us would have no use for human tissues or pathetically inefficient human forced labour), if they were interested in us at all it would probably be just to want to study the life on our world for reasons of curiosity.
There are far more probable disasters that have happened before...
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It's not exactly the same thing though, is it? God lives in Heaven; Aliens live on planets orbiting other worlds in Space (And most likely in the spaces between those planets too, if they are sufficiently advanced). From our studies, we know that the universe consists of around 500 billion Galaxies. Each of those galaxies contains about that many stars again.(For example, our galaxy contains between 100-400 billion stars.) Rough estimates say that around 40% of stars have a planet of some sort, and maybe 4-5% have some sort of terrestrial planet. Conditions, thus, are ripe for the formation of life across the universe, because even if planets only have a .0001% chance of life forming, ever, for all time, that leaves literally millions of results. Heck, some of these aliens might even know Allah, EireMuzzie. The Djinn must have come from some where; perhaps their refugees or emigrants from one of Allah's other worlds.
Here's the thing though; I've pointed out millions upon billions of places in the observable universe where aliens might live. Thus, the existence of aliens is something to be considered.
Show us Heaven, and we'll consider God.
No, not that group that you have nothing to do with, again.
The possiblity that life exists somewhere else in the universe is (the universe being infinite) highly possible, especially given that we KNOW that life already exists in the universe (right here).
It's not an enormous leap of logic. it is however from that to saying life does exist elsewhere, and from that to saying it has already been to earth and is intelligent. But the largest leap by far would be to say, Life exists so God exists.
"Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
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