Special Needs Teachers

[hopi watcher]

Children should be put in classes with children of the same level of ability. It is unfair on the slower children if they cannot keep up and unfair on the other children if they are bored from the teacher repeating themselves too much. No doubt most Irish parents think their child is above average in intelligence so tests would need to be done every year as some kids develop at different ages.

Your knowledge of the educational process is on a par with all other matters you spout about here. That you constantly sail so close to the eugenics arguement, unbeknownst to yourself, renders you a very dangerous person.

[QuizMaster]

A parent is hardly going to take the cold/clinical logical decision. Of course your child is the most important thing to you but a leader has to make the decisions they consider the best for a country as a whole.

It would cost the state more to put our kid in a special needs school.
Also, her problems are not academic.

Why do we bother having a state at all, if it's not to nurture those who need nurturing?

I don't think your handle is appropriate. You are neither tough nor fair.
Maybe you should change to dimbutbigoted.

[hammer]

I'd agree with such a tax rate. [COLOR="Red"]No need for name calling as that is a sign of a lack of cohesive thought.[/COLOR]Anyway, If the resources from this new tax were pumped into the brightest (including 3rd level grads) to help them start companies, that would create jobs, creates income tax, less dole, more resources and then we can help more of the special needs children.

A bit more brain and less heart gets better results for all.

Apologies.

Take it easy on the kids though

[toughbutfair]

This is absolute nonsense as usual, the brightest and best my ass. And it is not lazy to point out that it was your 'brightest and best' that led us into the mess we are now in. Again your view of the world is so one dimensional that it is getting hard to beleive that you are a humanoid at all or just are so filled with propoganda that you are incapable of seeing the human aspect of things. As a community we set out our educational facilties as a means to provide citizens with the skills both to better understand the world around them and to fully appreciate the experience. This nonsense that we should run people through eduaction with the sole intention that they will be better equiped to exploit their fellow citizens is as shallow as it gets.

do you accept that we have to pay money to get people to provide this service?

Do you accept the best way to get the money to pay such people is to have a good economy?

Do you accept the best way to get a good economy is to help our most gifted establish companies?

[toughbutfair]

Your knowledge of the educational process is on a par with all other matters you spout about here. That you constantly sail so close to the eugenics arguement, unbeknownst to yourself, renders you a very dangerous person.

What's your problem with this? it benefits all the children and provides them with a chance to move between classes - I'm not saying they'll be stuck at one level from the age of 5.

A bit less emotional reaction and a bit of thought would benefit you.

[toughbutfair]

It would cost the state more to put our kid in a special needs school.
Also, her problems are not academic.

Why do we bother having a state at all, if it's not to nurture those who need nurturing?

I don't think your handle is appropriate. You are neither tough nor fair.
Maybe you should change to dimbutbigoted.

As you are referring to your own child, logic goes out the window, such is human nature, so I'll leave you have your rant.

[hopi watcher]

do you accept that we have to pay money to get people to provide this service?

Do you accept the best way to get the money to pay such people is to have a good economy?

Do you accept the best way to get a good economy is to help our most gifted establish companies?

yes
Not necessarily
No, this is nonsense. The suggestion that 'the most gifted' establish companies is balderdash.
A civilised community aspires to deveop the talent and skills of each individual so that that individual can fully enjoy their lives. we are all of equal value

[hopi watcher]

What's your problem with this? it benefits all the children and provides them with a chance to move between classes - I'm not saying they'll be stuck at one level from the age of 5.

A bit less emotional reaction and a bit of thought would benefit you.

More nonsense, you clearly implied that resources should be concentrated on what you or someone else decides are our 'most talented and gifted' All citizens are entitled to receive whatever they need to help them develop to their fullest potential. The logic of your view is that should resources dictate, some citizens should be denied access to eduaction so as to preserve limited resources for the 'most talented and gifted' Once you go there, you become very dangerous.

[QuizMaster]

As you are referring to your own child, logic goes out the window, such is human nature, so I'll leave you have your rant.

Nice piece of evasion there.
Try addressing the issues. I may be a parent but I am also a logical human being with a bit of extra insight and knowledge of the subject.

[toughbutfair]

More nonsense, you clearly implied that resources should be concentrated on what you or someone else decides are our 'most talented and gifted' All citizens are entitled to receive whatever they need to help them develop to their fullest potential. The logic of your view is that should resources dictate, some citizens should be denied access to eduaction so as to preserve limited resources for the 'most talented and gifted' Once you go there, you become very dangerous.

Is it fair to say that you think "all citizens should get what they need" while I think "all citizens should get what the state can afford to give them"?

Also - I never said "denied access to education", that is an exageration of not getting extra help.