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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    Easy on the snobbery there BOE. I'd be very disappointed if any of them would have decided that sniping from the sidelines was more worthwhile than actually getting involved considering the state of the country.
    maybe . Maybe not. Maybe they, with a few more years and grey hairs on AA realised that economic advisor to B Lenihan in the present state of play is akin to swimming instructor on RMS Titanic. Plus, special advisors are given to political "friends" . nothing wrong with that, if they are good at advising. But most senior academics dont take well to being ignored and having their words chopped and diced by what they would see as less able (in their area) minds. Alan A is getting a great paypacket, more or less double what he would have been on in UCG, and great experience of how the irish economy really works. Both Whelan and Lucey spent time in the Central Bank, so they know what Alan A is now finding out. And they are on said professorial packages. So what incentive, beyond patritosim, to take on a sh itty job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Gurdgiev sounds prissy and silly here




    He can send a email to who he wants, this is Constantin on an ego trip here




    Pure catty prissiness and undignified



    Well you didn't get invited to the party Constantin so you can't email him back

    Well Boo Hoo !

    Gurdgiev comes across as petulant and silly here, and really should ask a friend before he pens his blog

    cYp
    I think its pretty prissy on your part too. What Constantin should have said was that he wasn't an independent academic anymore, but the point still stands. You failed to address the point that the SB Post added anything new to the discussion (the boo hoo comment). I think that point is perhaps the most valid, he sent this email asking to hold off until he published an article which subsequently added nothing new. I think that is a very substantive one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Jealousy?

    For what?

    To be just another FF whore and loose the respect and credibility of his peers and fans in the process of his fall from grace to the gutter that FF inhabit.
    Fans? Fall from grace to the gutter? This isn't Michael Jackson we're discussing, oddball.

    But it is a fairly good example of how ridiculous the Nama debates now are. When the consensus includes freaks like this then its time to step back and take a second look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbo67 View Post
    How many academic econimists do you think there are in Ireland Islands? That is a pretty big chunk of them, I think you are looking at pretty much every economist of note putting their signature of a letter criticising NAMA. That's pretty good in my book. I hope it gets the media play it deserves.
    I also hope that, Simbo. I was just surpriseed it was only 45 based on the number of names in the "cc" box of Lucey's original email. I'm not calling that a failure - I was just surprised
    Last edited by islands; 25th August 2009 at 07:38 PM. Reason: edited because I checked, and it was the "cc" box not the "To" box that had the names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyofEvidence View Post
    maybe . Maybe not. Maybe they, with a few more years and grey hairs on AA realised that economic advisor to B Lenihan in the present state of play is akin to swimming instructor on RMS Titanic. Plus, special advisors are given to political "friends" . nothing wrong with that, if they are good at advising. But most senior academics dont take well to being ignored and having their words chopped and diced by what they would see as less able (in their area) minds. Alan A is getting a great paypacket, more or less double what he would have been on in UCG, and great experience of how the irish economy really works. Both Whelan and Lucey spent time in the Central Bank, so they know what Alan A is now finding out. And they are on said professorial packages. So what incentive, beyond patritosim, to take on a sh itty job?
    Doesn't Ahearne have a bit of a CV too? Might be in the States, but surely that's relevant. Also, wouldn't think that time spent in the central bank while the sh!t was being caked onto the fan grill is the best qualification going either.

    And what evidence have you got that he could be considered a political 'friend'? Have to say, that in the absence of any that I am aware of, it just makes you look like you are playing the man and not the ball. I would have thought Ahearne was chosen because he was one of the most measured of the voices in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    Fans? Fall from grace to the gutter? This isn't Michael Jackson we're discussing, oddball.

    But it is a fairly good example of how ridiculous the Nama debates now are. When the consensus includes freaks like this then its time to step back and take a second look.
    What's the problem GIMP?

    Upset your FF sensibilities there did I?

    GOOD!

    BTW if you want to see a freak I suggest you take a good long hard look in the mirror, that is if you can slither out of the Gutter that you and the rest of the FF minions and the vested interests defending NAMA inhabit.

    Nama debate?

    There is no debate rather a race against time to stop it's implementation before it destroys what's left of this country's future prospects.

    In other words blow it out your hole GIMP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    What's the problem GIMP?

    Upset your FF sensibilities there did I?

    GOOD!

    BTW if you want to see a freak I suggest you take a good long hard look in the mirror, that is if you can slither out of the Gutter that you and the rest of the FF minions and the vested interests defending NAMA inhabit.

    Nama debate?

    There is no debate rather a race against time to stop it's implementation before it destroys what's left of this country's future prospects.

    In other words blow it out your hole GIMP!
    Economists who let their fans down and fall into the gutter. A race against time to stop the destruction of the countries future.

    Wierdo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyofEvidence View Post
    occasional oped contributors to the IT dont get paid.
    Really? I presumed it was the equivalent of freelance work or something. They need to get onto the union...

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    It is an honour to be asked to advise government. Alan Ahearnes reputation will move along very nicely after this, regardless of the outcome. It is not just about the money although I am sure he is making a nice wedge for his efforts.

    To be an academic economist is one thing but to be able to translate these skills into something more tangible is a rare skill.

    The other economists are jealous. It really is that simple. The economist who wrote this blog has let himself down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert151410 View Post
    It is an honour to be asked to advise government. Alan Ahearnes reputation will move along very nicely after this, regardless of the outcome. It is not just about the money although I am sure he is making a nice wedge for his efforts.

    To be an academic economist is one thing but to be able to translate these skills into something more tangible is a rare skill.

    The other economists are jealous. It really is that simple. The economist who wrote this blog has let himself down.
    I agree that it's positive that he was asked to advise the government but as to his reputation remaining intact "regardless of the outcome", that's doubtful.

    If you're hired to advise a government, it takes your advice and then everything goes pearshaped, or bankrupt-shaped, then it doesn't reflect well.

    Ahearne has championed NAMA so his fate is very much tied in with it.

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