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    Canadian Bank wants Stake in AIB

    A MAJOR Canadian bank has proposed to take a stake in Allied Irish Banks. The investment would take place only after AIB’s development loans move to Nama, the National Asset Management Agency.

    The conditional approach to the Government and AIB from the Canadian bank was received about a fortnight ago.

    The name of the bank could not be confirmed last night but it is understood to rank among that country’s top five lenders.
    Canadian bank makes surprise approach for stake in AIB - The Irish Times - Fri, Aug 14, 2009

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    Of course it does. One week it'll be toxic, the next it'll be clean. The banks will walk away and make loads of profit, while the taxpayer is sold down the river trying to pay off AIB's debt!!

    Makes sense really!!
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    One aspect of the current banking crisis, which appears, to date, to have gone un-remarked, is the strategic imperative of maintaining the “independence” of our two main banks, at least insofar as it relates to ownership by foreign banks.

    Interest by Private Equity groups e.g. Mallabraca, and now by a Canadian bank, seem to be welcomed by the media, without any consideration for the wider ramifications of such a move. Particularly in the case of Private Equity, who would undoubtedly be seeking to liquidate their investment with a 5-7 year timeframe, with a large foreign bank as the likely buyer.

    It now seems clear that the subsidiaries of foreign banks currently operating in Ireland e.g. Ulster, NIB, BoSI/Halifax and ACC, have effectively withdrawn from the new lending market, particularly in the mortgage market and the vitally important SME sector. They will deny it, but their pricing of loans clearly suggests that they are actively seeking to discourage new applications.

    If AIB and Bank of Ireland were subsidiaries of foreign banks, there is little doubt that a similar retrenchment policy would be in operation and the ability of the Irish government to influence such a policy would be severely circumscribed.

    If AIB was owned by a major UK bank, one can imagine that the discussion in the London boardroom would not be about whether they should dispose of AIB’s US or Polish interests in order to bolster the balance sheet of the Irish subsidiary, it would be about how to downsize or dispose of the Irish unit!

    There is understandable public anger at banks and bankers, a “to hell with the lot of them” attitude is commonplace.

    This anger is routinely stoked by populist politicians, academics and media commentators who make no distinction between the banks, despite the evidence that some have been considerably less irresponsible than others e.g. IL&P and BoI.
    Those commentators might usefully, in future, reflect on the long-term national importance to the Irish economy of maintaining a strong indigenous banking sector.

    The current economic crisis will, hopefully, pass within a couple of years, but the national strategic need to maintain local control over key elements of our banking system will persist. At some point in the future, hopefully distant, we will inevitably have another international economic/banking crisis which will test the ability of the Irish economy to survive/revive.

    Given the open nature of the Irish economy, we will always feel the pain when our major markets suffer an economic setback. In such circumstances, the Government’s ability to influence events is very limited e.g. our exchange rate is fixed by the ECB, reflecting the perceived need of the larger community rather than Ireland, and our interest rates are largely dictated by our membership of the Eurozone.

    The banking system remains one of the key levers of economic power that the Government can influence and we must maintain control of it. Perhaps there is a case for the Government to maintain a long-term minority stake in the two major banks.

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    Nationalization will cost the same for taxpayers as NAMA, but it has one significant advantage - when crisis will be over, government can always sell some of nationalized banks and recover losses
    I don’t see any reason why Irish taxpayer must pay for profit of Canadian bank and AIB shareholders

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollox View Post
    One aspect of the current banking crisis, which appears, to date, to have gone un-remarked, is the strategic imperative of maintaining the “independence” of our two main banks, at least insofar as it relates to ownership by foreign banks.

    Interest by Private Equity groups e.g. Mallabraca, and now by a Canadian bank, seem to be welcomed by the media, without any consideration for the wider ramifications of such a move. Particularly in the case of Private Equity, who would undoubtedly be seeking to liquidate their investment with a 5-7 year timeframe, with a large foreign bank as the likely buyer.

    It now seems clear that the subsidiaries of foreign banks currently operating in Ireland e.g. Ulster, NIB, BoSI/Halifax and ACC, have effectively withdrawn from the new lending market, particularly in the mortgage market and the vitally important SME sector. They will deny it, but their pricing of loans clearly suggests that they are actively seeking to discourage new applications.

    If AIB and Bank of Ireland were subsidiaries of foreign banks, there is little doubt that a similar retrenchment policy would be in operation and the ability of the Irish government to influence such a policy would be severely circumscribed.

    If AIB was owned by a major UK bank, one can imagine that the discussion in the London boardroom would not be about whether they should dispose of AIB’s US or Polish interests in order to bolster the balance sheet of the Irish subsidiary, it would be about how to downsize or dispose of the Irish unit!

    There is understandable public anger at banks and bankers, a “to hell with the lot of them” attitude is commonplace.

    This anger is routinely stoked by populist politicians, academics and media commentators who make no distinction between the banks, despite the evidence that some have been considerably less irresponsible than others e.g. IL&P and BoI.
    Those commentators might usefully, in future, reflect on the long-term national importance to the Irish economy of maintaining a strong indigenous banking sector.

    The current economic crisis will, hopefully, pass within a couple of years, but the national strategic need to maintain local control over key elements of our banking system will persist. At some point in the future, hopefully distant, we will inevitably have another international economic/banking crisis which will test the ability of the Irish economy to survive/revive.

    Given the open nature of the Irish economy, we will always feel the pain when our major markets suffer an economic setback. In such circumstances, the Government’s ability to influence events is very limited e.g. our exchange rate is fixed by the ECB, reflecting the perceived need of the larger community rather than Ireland, and our interest rates are largely dictated by our membership of the Eurozone.

    The banking system remains one of the key levers of economic power that the Government can influence and we must maintain control of it. Perhaps there is a case for the Government to maintain a long-term minority stake in the two major banks.


    And clearly the only way to maintain a strong indigenous banking sector is to nationalise the banks. God knows we are already paying hand over fist for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunkyBoogaloo View Post
    Of course it does. One week it'll be toxic, the next it'll be clean. The banks will walk away and make loads of profit, while the taxpayer is sold down the river trying to pay off AIB's debt!!

    Makes sense really!!
    And, of course, AIB will then be free to make huge profits on the backs of the very same taxpayers who have just bailed them out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    And, of course, AIB will then be free to make huge profits on the backs of the very same taxpayers who have just bailed them out...
    Correct and the little matter of AIB reducing the period of paying interest only on mortgages for people in difficulty from 2 years to 1 year signals that mass repossessions are on the cards but not till after NAMA is launched

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Gilladaker View Post
    Correct and the little matter of AIB reducing the period of paying interest only on mortgages for people in difficulty from 2 years to 1 year signals that mass repossessions are on the cards but not till after NAMA is launched
    May be it is time to reconsider conditions for state garantees for AIB?

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