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Contrast Employment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with Indentured servant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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"and Akrasia has just found the winning argument for every debate in the history of the world. We might as well shut down P.ie now, there's nothing more to talk about"
I didn't give up my freedom. If by entering into a voluntary contract I gave up freedom then it would be very easy for me to get it back again...
A voluntary exchange between two people benefits both parties, otherwise the exchange would never take place. If I agree to do something in exchange for money, it's because I value the money higher than what I give up in return.
Yes and that is what you agreed to when you "signed up".
Yes. If you know more than the bosses I'm sure you can look for an interview with a competitor.
So you are making a choice that you value the job and the wages (despite the management situation) higher than that alternative... sounds like a good decision to me.
That's just waffle.
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Here is the definition of freedom from wikipedia. I agree with it, no doubt the libertarians don't
Anarchists are in favour of freedom, libertarians are in favour of subordination.Freedom is the right to act according to ones will without being held up by the power of others. From a philosophical point of view, it can be defined as the capacity to determine your own choices. It can be defined negatively as an absence of subordination, servitude and constraint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_(philosophy)
For an ideology that supposedly desires individual freedom as it's highest goal, Your definition as the 'freedom', to subordinate your choices to a system based entirely on 'property rights' is about the weakest definition of freedom that I can concieve.
When one party to a 'free contract' gets to dictate the terms, and the other is in a position to only accept or reject those terms, then there is clearly a position of subordination there and a severe restriction on the freedom of the weaker party.
This is of course, abundantly clear to everyone except libertarians (and austrian economists as you prefer to be known)
Last edited by Akrasia; 14th August 2009 at 05:29 PM.
Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.
Is this an admission that you believe there is no freedom under Socialism?
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Do you know what socialism is?
Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.
Of course. You obviously don't if you have the audacity to state that a worker would have more freedom under Socialism than Capitalism hahaha
You're having a laugh mate
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So your consultant said that if you didn't have insurance and you actually had cancer you would have died within a year?
"She'll hold together. Hear me, baby? Hold together!"
No. I didn't have insurance. I paid from my own pocket because I was left with no choice.
I went private and was diagnosed within a week. Thankfully it wasn't cancer.
I recieved the appointment to go for public health tests eight months after I first visited A&E complaining of the same symptoms.
If it was cancer and detected when I presented first my chances of survival would be increased at least five times. If it was left for eight months it would more than likely have been untreatable or I'd have to have half my insides removed.
I'm unsure of your reasons for questioning me. I'm not joking here.
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Capitalists don't get sick. They have no souls and don't care about their families or friends so they advocate policies to destroy healthcare in countries for the sole benefits of big faceless corporations and their balance sheets. It's a massive conspiracy. Socialists have a monopoly on compassion.
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I forgot, my bad. This is what happens when you skip your annual CIA capitalist brainwashing session - you get emotional.Capitalists don't get sick. They have no souls and don't care about their families or friends so they advocate policies to destroy healthcare in countries for the sole benefits of big faceless corporations and their balance sheets. It's a massive conspiracy. Socialists have a monopoly on compassion.
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