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Thread: Paul Kienitz nails the Libertarian scam

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    If i'd waited for public healthcare to do it's thing and I did have cancer I'd be dead by now.
    That's based on...?
    "She'll hold together. Hear me, baby? Hold together!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seos View Post
    That's based on...?
    knowledge.
    A poster of some consequence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    knowledge.
    Sigh, which comes from? And don't say your brain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lao-Tse View Post
    Is someone an Eric Voegelin fan?
    It's ironic that the OP actually uses the theoretical framework of a Christian libertarian critique of totalitarian ideology to criticise libertarianism.

    These libertarians adapted Voegelin's argument that the utopian impulse motoring modern political ideologies such as Nazism and communism sprang in fact from a spiritual desire for a transcendent destiny.
    "The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people." -- Abraham Lincoln


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seos View Post
    Sigh, which comes from? And don't say your brain!
    My consultant's brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lao-Tse View Post
    He's quite correct.

    Incidently, a person usually gets most of their orders from a boss at
    work rather than any government official.
    exactly, and this is the reason why libertarians claim that they are in favour of liberty is false.
    Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    exactly
    Nonsense. The two situations are not comparable. Firstly I voluntarily applied for a job, and an agreement was struck for me to provide services in exchange for a monetary reward. Voluntary action pure and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20000miles View Post
    At best, Paul Krugman could argue that he did advocate another bubble, (after all he did imply that the Fed needed to create another one). If Krugman is as anti-bubble as feargach claims he is, why did PK say there was a need for a bubble? Krugman could cling to the less admirable position of having advocated a bubble and then thinking that Greenspan could nip it in the bud. So he was dead wrong on all counts. But let there be no doubt as to Krugman's intellectual pedigree:
    If I said this "For the Israeli state to gain full control over the west bank, they would need to ethnically clense the area of palestinian nationalists"

    Would you take that to mean "Akrasia calls for the ethnically cleansing of the Palestinians"?
    Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    knowledge.
    and cookiemonster has just found the winning argument for every debate in the history of the world. We might as well shut down P.ie now, there's nothing more to talk about
    Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazlitt View Post
    Nonsense. The two situations are not comparable. Firstly I voluntarily applied for a job, and an agreement was struck for me to provide services in exchange for a monetary reward. Voluntary action pure and simple.
    yes I know, voluntarily blah blah...

    You voluntarily gave up your freedom to your employer, it still remains, that you are not free and you must obey your employers orders.

    In my job I have a load of managers and bosses. Despite the fact that I know more about my job than any of them, when they say 'do this', imposed with out any consultation (or reason half the time) I have to do it and I have absolutely no leg to stand on if I refuse.

    You may say "well, you have the right to quit"

    Great, I can quit, and live in poverty with little hope of getting a new job without a reference that says I am a good little employee who does what he's told and doesn't ask any questions.

    (the kinds of good little employees that facilitated the bubble housing market, the corruption in the banks, the misselling of insurance scandals, Enron etc etc etc etc
    Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.

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