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About LinkBacksNo (though I think most of the people making the claim that property is theft would say that common ownership of the material world is not theft).Originally Posted by Hazlitt
No (though I think most of the people making the claim that property is theft would say that common ownership of the material world is not theft).
[quote=TradCat;1819022][quote=sauntersplash;1818990]Can you not see how much your presuming by saying that society functions well? Under what criteria are you applying the word? In terms of efficiency re happiness, greed, satisfaction, equality?
I would say that 'society' is quite plainly dysfunctional. Turn on the television, open a magazine, look out the window. It's pretty freakin' nuts out there.
"Well, while I'm here, I'll do the work - and what's the work? To ease the pain of living. Everything else, drunken dumbshow." - Allen Ginsberg Memory Gardens
First, if the ability to mix your labour with the resources you homestead is based on your attributes (skill, motivation, concentration, location) which are based on luck, then surely this is not a justification for ownership?
Second, how do you prove that those resources you find were previously unowned? Why are you entitled to bar others who may have been using them, but not felt the need to own them, from doing so? This is not justified in my opinion.
This ridiculous 'luck' argument - if you were a business owner & you had two candidates - one hard working, qualified & ambitious, the other with the mental capacity of pondlife & lazy as sin, you would presumably feel sorry for the 2nd candidate cos he 'never got a break'. He was just unfortunate to be born a lazy idiot, and thus deserves sympathy ?
Moronic.
Taking this 'theory' to its logical conclusion - child payments should be denied to people of low intelligence/low achievement to stop them passing their bad 'luck' on to their children.
[quote=sauntersplash;1819041][quote=TradCat;1819022]Never mind the fact that private ownership of property leads to unequal distributions thereof (as the ownership of property gives you an advantage in the acquisition of more).
And the more unequal distribution of wealth, the more social and health problems a society faces. So the private ownership of property leads to social and health problems.
[quote=sauntersplash;1819041][quote=TradCat;1819022]Nuts compared to what? The world will always be imperfect but in terms of stability we have it better than any other system that ever existed.
If you have a better plan then that's what I'd like to hear. The imperfections of the existing set-up are clear enough.
What?! HOW did you decide that was the logical conclusion?
Are you aware of the definition of logic? It's the formal study of the principle of valid inference and correct reasoning.
That reasoning seems awfully flawed to me. Perhaps you could elaborate your argument?
It is because they can't intelligently reply to your arguments that they attempt to slander you. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Are you in the Socialist party? Is it party policy to abolish private property?
I know. And having challenged them, they either disappeared or came up with a red herring argument. I'm enjoying responding to those who actually bothered to read my OP though!
(Nice to see you back)
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