Property is theft!

[sarahj]

They'll say that as society gave you your education and provided all material support to you in your life up to the point where you had the idea, that society owns your idea.

Maybe own is the wrong word but definitely society would have a stake in the idea.

Yes exactly. You have come up with the idea and so "own" that process. But you don't own the idea, that would be silly, how can anyone own an idea?

[Hazlitt]

Theft implies previous ownership (property) therefore the statement is self-refuting.

[BrendanGalway]

Quick question : If the Socialist Party were in power, would people still own their own houses, or would nationalisation extend to everything?

[sarahj]

Theft implies previous ownership (property) therefore the statement is self-refuting.

Did you read my OP? I said that in the first sentence:

Many thinkers, such as Proudhon and even a Saint have held to this position, though Marx (surprisingly!) disagreed with it on the grounds that it assumed the existence of property and so was self-refuting.

[Mr.De-Regulation]

I have read into this. And I am not a landlord. So I dont really see how my property is theft sarah.

[stringjack]

Theft implies previous ownership (property) therefore the statement is self-refuting.

Only if it's misread. "Private property is theft" is less catchy a slogan.

[sarahj]

I have read into this. And I am not a landlord. So I dont really see how my property is theft sarah.

Lol, I'm trying to start a conversation and I KNEW I'd attract you.

I guess it all depends on how you look at property. I myself (though I haven't come to a concrete decision) would be inclined to look on property as anything you own which past that which is necessary for a decent standard of living that others are dying without. For example, having 3 acres of a back garden is theft when there are others starving for lack of food/land to grow it on.

Definitely, I would view ownership of the means of production as theft.

[Jock_the_Waster]

sarahj = Troll

[sarahj]

sarahj = Troll

Are you even aware of the definition of a troll?

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion"

Now, having started my own thread for this issue, I don't qualify as a troll.

You, however, have self-defined yourself as a troll by posting an irrlevant message to disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Troll.

[birthday]

sarahj = Troll

You don't say!!!