IMF Report on Ireland

[An Gilladaker]

Bear in mind a teacher only works about 8 months a year (much shorter than UK).

Remember the defined benefit pension they all get - a garda pension is worth about a million quid

Remember that they have, up to now, a guaranteed job,

remember it is rare that they work overtime for no pay

From a conversation i had in the pub with an accountant and a binman i have to agree with the binman who proved his job was more important than the accountants so i suppose he would win that argument with the teacher as well
so accountants and teachers salary and perks should be lowered to fit their value

[riker1969]

The IMF report is a saluatary reminder (if we didnt need it) how big a hole we have to still climb out of. What do we have to cut 17billion over 3/4 years. As a public servant Im resigned to more pay cuts-I just cant see the way around them. I would vote no to any strike action so long as I felt pain was being shared .What I mean by this is:

1. Developers must suffer-losing homes as thousands of ord people are. This can still happen without necessarily their businesses being wound down.
2. The HSE must be properly reformed as must the entire civil service. All public servants must be prepared to move where the work is. Face the unions down if you have to but let it be done quickly.
3. A movement towards a proper childcare system-even a remote outline.People's health and people's children are what most people worry about and they must feel some state of assurance on these matters, before the fiscal knife cuts their incomes further.

Im in no better financial position than most. I have an unemployed wife and am exposed on the property front. The fly in the ointment for most us probably is our mortgages-we bought property on the basis that we had higher salaries. I don't think anything can be done on that point.

[riker1969]

From a conversation i had in the pub with an accountant and a binman i have to agree with the binman who proved his job was more important than the accountants so i suppose he would win that argument with the teacher as well
so accountants and teachers salary and perks should be lowered to fit their value

Oh for the love of Jesus-the anal obsession with teachers on politics.ie is stultifying.This thread is not about teachers!! It seems a considerable number of posters on this site have "issues" with teachers-go see a therapist and let it go. There are threads that could be resurrected-type in" Teaching is the devils work "or "teachers are erudite apes" (Adolf Hitler)

Look up the Eagles song "GET OVER IT"

[Middleaged]

The IMF report is a saluatary reminder (if we didnt need it) how big a hole we have to still climb out of. What do we have to cut 17billion over 3/4 years. As a public servant Im resigned to more pay cuts-I just cant see the way around them. I would vote no to any strike action so long as I felt pain was being shared .What I mean by this is:

1. Developers must suffer-losing homes as thousands of ord people are. This can still happen without necessarily their businesses being wound down.
2. The HSE must be properly reformed as must the entire civil service. All public servants must be prepared to move where the work is. Face the unions down if you have to but let it be done quickly.
3. A movement towards a proper childcare system-even a remote outline.People's health and people's children are what most people worry about and they must feel some state of assurance on these matters, before the fiscal knife cuts their incomes further.

Im in no better financial position than most. I have an unemployed wife and am exposed on the property front. The fly in the ointment for most us probably is our mortgages-we bought property on the basis that we had higher salaries. I don't think anything can be done on that point.

Excellent post, they are the facts, now its time to dig-out a solution.... or continue with the bullshyte....?

Lets push on

[myksav]

Why, aren't we allowed to question and disagree with patent rights?

Patent rights? Hell no. Patents themselves, only if you already had a similar patent registered.

Why should a person who comes up with a new idea/concept/invention allow, or be happy, for another without a new thought in their head take their idea and use it without recompense?

In your utopian socialism, why would the inventive person do anything inventive when he/she knows that the invention would be taken from them "for the good of everyone else"?
Why put in the effort when you won't benefit from your effort any more than those who don't put in the effort?

Look clearly at the countries which stick to "socialist" systems, low levels of innovation and invention.
Look at countries which go with the capitalist system, high levels of innovation and invention.

[myksav]

It's main premise had nothing to do with average wage rates in the public or private sector. It was job-by-job comparison.

On the basis of that graph, it would seem that benchmarking was the only thing keeping wage growth in the public sector even close to that of the private sector.

Conor, just looking at that graph, it's very easy to see that Public Sector are paid more than private. The public sector graph line is significantly above the private sector graph line.

[MortgageBroker]

Why not closeo ff every loophole that allowed very rich people pay little or no tax and then scrap all pension relief on any type of pension. Sure it'll hit lots of people but the reality is a pension is luxury the majority of people do not have as they battle financially all their life to avoid having to depend on benefits to survive.

A grown adult working a full time job should be paid enough to afford to cover all their bills within reason - they should not need to depend on social welfare to make ends meet.

the 'very rich' don't necessarily 'get away with it' via pensions, they tend to move offshore and use lots of other legal tax avoidance measures.

if we end tax relief on paying into a pension will we thus be able to take it out tax free at maturity? you are totally ignoring the weight of retirement commitments on the state, we should be encouraging pensions.

the idea you posted solves nothing unless social revolt is your end game.

[MortgageBroker]

Conor, just looking at that graph, it's very easy to see that Public Sector are paid more than private. The public sector graph line is significantly above the private sector graph line.

IMF reported that public sector has (on average) a 20% wage advantage, that's 'wage' not 'package' so it doesn't include things like DB pension schemes.

[toughbutfair]

From a conversation i had in the pub with an accountant and a binman i have to agree with the binman who proved his job was more important than the accountants so i suppose he would win that argument with the teacher as well
so accountants and teachers salary and perks should be lowered to fit their value

Oh, now I'm gutted that I didn't become a binman. One can only dream.

[riker1969]

Oh, now I'm gutted that I didn't become a binman. One can only dream.

That post made me laugh thanks! There are lots of professions that on a day to day basis are crucial-ie Bus drivers but I think its a stretch to say binmen (crucial as they honestly are) should be paid more than an accountant.Why? Training takes longer and simply accountants move among money and get a cut, Most socially necessary jobs don't move among money and are tolerated by the rich because they keep the plebs quiet (ie social workers etc) Not saying that's fair but tis life!