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    They welcomed in this regard the authorities’ commitment to the restoration of wage cost competitiveness—acknowledging the progress already underway—and their plans on infrastructure and R&D investment. A few Directors cautioned, however, that falling nominal wages could impair domestic demand and accelerate deflation.[/I][/QUOTE]

    Wage cost competitiveness?-highest paid judges in the world, Consultant doctors earning 3times UK rate, university lecturers on 50% higher than UK etc etc.
    These rates must be maintained (borrowed) 'as falling nominal wages could impair domestic demand and accelerate deflation'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    This method will carefully ensure that all bank debts will be wiped out courtesy of the taxpayer, they can preserve the illusion that the banks are private concerns and when it comes time to report profits again they don't go towards paying off the debt the banks owe us but get funnelled to shareholders.

    Nationalised debt, privatised profits. They'll do it again in ten years.
    Cynical, but sadly will probably be true.

    Time to change the system?
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    Even with the €4billion in cuts the government is committed to for the budget they see the deficit rising to 12.75% next year as the economy tanks further with GNP down -3.6% in 2010.

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    Staff’s baseline implies stronger expenditure consolidation than that currently
    projected by the authorities to reach their goals. Starting from a higher projected deficit in
    2009 and using a more pessimistic forecast for revenues, staff’s baseline deficit in 2013
    would be 4 percent of GDP versus the authorities target of 2½ percent of GDP in that year. A
    further plausible consolidation in 2014 would bring the deficit below the authorities’ target to
    1½ percent of GDP. In sum, over 2009-14, staff’s baseline would imply that primary
    expenditures are brought down by 9½ percent of GDP while revenue measures of about
    3¾ percent of GDP would offset further declines in property-related taxes and raise overall
    revenues by about 2½ percent of GDP.
    AKA : Finance are waaaay too optimistic in their forecasts

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    Forgot mention a big one as well. They want the minimum wage more age related so you would for example a lower minimum wage for say 21-25 and an ever lower rate for 18-21. Or something like that. And they do not mean a rate any higher than €8.65/hour. So say €8 for 21-25 and €7 for 18-21.

    Plus the government pulled the minimum wage negotiations out of the Labour Court in the last 2 days!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Forgot mention a big one as well. They want the minimum wage more age related so you would for example a lower minimum wage for say 21-25 and an ever lower rate for 18-21. Or something like that. And they do not mean a rate any higher than €8.65/hour. So say €8 for 21-25 and €7 for 18-21.

    Plus the government pulled the minimum wage negotiations out of the Labour Court in the last 2 days!!!!
    Interesting! I hadn't heard that, thank you.
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    IMF Staff appraisal of Ireland

    available at http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/...09/cr09195.pdf

    V. STAFF APPRAISAL
    43. The Irish economy is in the midst of an unprecedented economic correction. The
    stress exceeds that being faced currently by any other advanced economy and matches
    episodes of the most severe economic distress in post-World War II history. Banks face
    extensive losses and double-digit fiscal deficits over the next three years will imply a run up
    in public debt. The short-term dislocations come on top of a sharp decline in potential
    growth, implying a modest pace of recovery.
    44. The risks remain significant. Market sentiment has improved and Irish sovereign
    spreads have come down from their highs. The reduction in public sector wages has been
    accompanied by a decline in private wages, which if sustained would help competitiveness in
    the medium term. But the recent research is clear. Financial crises generate deeper and more
    prolonged downturns, and more so if the crisis is globally synchronized. In a weakened Irish
    economy, adverse global economic and financial events would be disruptive.
    45. On the two fronts that matter most, the authorities have moved in the right
    direction. Most recently, the proposed establishment of NAMA offers the prospect of
    extracting distressed assets from the banks, a precondition for their return to healthy
    functionality. They have also laid out a multi-year plan to contain the fiscal deficit.
    46. But the task ahead is formidable and determined execution of these initiatives
    will be needed. The challenge is severe because unwinding the large macroeconomic
    imbalances entails difficult policy trade-offs, which, in turn, are associated with considerable
    political sensitivities. Communicating clear objectives, allowing for contingencies, and
    creating benchmarks for transparent assessment will help maintain political legitimacy.
    47. With regard to NAMA, risk-sharing structures should be considered to address
    the well-known pricing problem. The pricing of distressed assets is complex and can slow
    down the transfer of assets from the troubled bank. Risk-sharing can potentially create better
    incentives for managing the bad assets. And they also guard against the risk that the taxpayer
    does not bear a disproportionate burden of the costs cleaning up the banks.
    48. It is particularly important to incorporate flexibility in NAMA’s design. While an
    early focus on removing property-development loans from the financial system may be
    appropriate, the economic downturn will cause impairment of other asset classes as the latest
    trends are already indicating. The option of relieving banks of those additional assets within a
    year or so will continue the process of “cleaning” up the banks. Absent that option, banks
    may remain hobbled.
    49. Where a bank has been rendered economically insolvent, the only real option
    would be its temporary nationalization. In that case, NAMA would continue to act in its
    capacity as an agency managing bad assets. An advantage would be that prices at which these assets are transferred would become less of an issue. Nationalization could also be used as a
    step towards mergers and, hence, sectoral restructuring. But it would be necessary to ensure
    that the banks are operated transparently, with commercial objectives, and that they receive
    the same regulatory and supervisory treatment as private banks. Finally, a clear exit strategy
    to return the banks to private operation would be needed.
    50. Accompanying these immediate crisis management tasks are several supportive
    crisis prevention measures. These can and should be guided by evolving European Union
    guidelines. However, inevitably, they will need to be tailored to domestic circumstances.
    • A broader tool kit would allow for more speedy resolution of banks. This would be
    supported by the authorities’ ongoing enhancements of the deposit protection
    program.
    • The supervisory challenges include intensification of surveillance for systemic risks
    beyond the six guaranteed banks, further safeguards against related-party lending, and
    continued development of a macro-prudential regulatory and supervisory process.
    51. The authorities have laid out an ambitious fiscal consolidation plan.While the
    initial reliance on increases in personal income tax rates was appropriate to minimize the
    contractionary effect of the consolidation, a greater focus on reductions in current
    expenditure will be needed in the coming years.
    52. Steps should be taken to sustain the execution of the planned fiscal
    consolidation. The following principles could be used as a guide:
    • More targeting of the vulnerable (as proposed for child benefits) and greater reliance
    on incentives for efficient use of public resources.
    • Further ratcheting down of the public pay structure and employment levels.
    • Broadening the tax base.
    • A fiscal rule, backed by a medium-term expenditure plan that details the intended
    measures over the full horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    Cynical, but sadly will probably be true.

    Time to change the system?
    Seriously, in a few years when the lightbulb has dimmed on the dig-out Irish banks have had courtesy of taxpayer they'll be bouncing along selling the Irish government share of the banks as if its a golden privatisation opportunity.

    Loads of people's eyes will light up at the prospect of making a couple of hundred euros and anxious to make sure they are 'in' with their applications.

    They'll have neatly forgotten the dig-out they are paying for in their taxes. Its a great business- fail big and the taxpayer props you up until you are in better health and then you can sell them some shares at a slight discount and off they go delighted with their two hundred euro profit. Having paid two thousand to support the banks in the meantime but because it says 'tax' on their wage slip they don't associate the two things.

    Heads the bank wins, tails the taxpayer loses. Only a bank could get away with selling shares in a business the taxpayer effectively owns back to the taxpayer.

    Quite frankly if the entire Dail was blown sky high with every deputy in it we'd probably be better off with an IMF team running the place. At least the IMF are supervised and accountable. The Irish government is an international joke.

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    A shocking report. Shows exactly how much damage has been done by aherns bubble governments.

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    I really don't know what to say, Ireland just isnt working properly and we need a huge change from the status quo.

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