The Great Irish Recession vs The Great Irish Famine

[thedudeinthehat]

Yeah? How? what exactly is going to change? when? where?

AND WHAT'S WITH YOUR SIGNATURE???
only a fascist would say something like that.

some probable changes are

1. Obviosuly the govt in the short term-
2. Attitudes to property are changing fast as well- us renters wont be made out to be suckers in future-
3. the deal between rights and responsibilities for social welfare recipients will be looked at short and long term- ie Coughlan talking about getting long term stressed back into work.
4. whole structure of our education system- what are we training for- what kind of people we need- and long term education- constant upskilling- a bs term- but we will be constantly chasing foreign capital- and lower wages are not an option!!!!
5. our place in the EU- a yes vote will take place- but it will be a yes please- we need them more now then they need us- that will weaken us for a long time in EU arena (all a result of first no vote- which was in itself a result of the deluded egos that were feeding the property boom)..

i could go on-

re: the signature-

didnt the manics say If i cant shoot rabbits then how can i shoot fascists- the Catalonians shot fascists- there are times when its needed...

[thedudeinthehat]

There was no Mass Immigration to Ireland during the Famine!

That's one difference.

Yes- those pesky immigrants right?

[Duth Ealla]

There was no Mass Immigration to Ireland during the Famine!

That's one difference.

There was mass immigration all athrough that century into Ireland Horace. Huge numbers of people came from England, Scotland and Wales.
Its not historically accurate to say there was no immigration.

[Libero]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Property was our economic potato. But I’ve noticed that those most dependent on property are generally not now the ones going hungry…[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]And the question of immigration is of some interest. After all, this website has seen extreme critics of immigration into Ireland also objecting to the feeding of foreigners by the Capuchin monks in Dublin. Clearly the foreigners are, to some minds, throw-away people who should look after themselves. Certainly, they often don’t qualify for ordinary welfare benefits and rely on charity and the discretion of community welfare officers, our modern-day dispensers of famine relief Doolough Tragedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Cormac Ó Gráda of UCD has written extensively on the subject of famine in general and the Irish Great Famine in particular: [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#800080]http://www.ucd.ie/research/people/economics/professorcormacograda/publications/[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Does anyone know if he’s identified any common themes between the utter horrors of that period and today’s relatively mild problems? He has recently authored an essay in comparative economic history with the intriguing title:[/FONT] [/FONT]'You take the high road and I'll take the low road: economic success and wellbeing in the longer run''

[Horace Horse]

Yes- those pesky immigrants right?

Are you American?

I've never heard an Irish person use the adjective "pesky".

You're watching too much TV.

And you wrote another stupid post.

[Horace Horse]

There was mass immigration all athrough that century into Ireland Horace. Huge numbers of people came from England, Scotland and Wales.
Its not historically accurate to say there was no immigration.

During the Famine?

You're crazy.

Prove it.

[hopi watcher]

During the Famine?

You're crazy.

Prove it.

Not crazy at all. Many came here to exploit the situation. That's how the PD mind set got here!!!

[thedudeinthehat]

Are you American?

I've never heard an Irish person use the adjective "pesky".

You're watching too much TV.

And you wrote another stupid post.

yeh i pride myself on like embracing US culture- like

the pesky was cos to alot people on here they seem to be

[Sailor]

The OP seems to be drawing a comparison between the potato and property. I can see what he is getting at but I think a more appropriate analogy would be between the potato and the excess availabilty of credit. Leading up to The Famine the ability of the potato to sustain a higher population than any other crop made the land more valuable. If you could support a family on a half-acre of potatoes then this resulted in the land having an inflated value over what it would have with a crop of cereal - so the amount of land remained the same ( apart from some reclamation in the West ) but the potato made it more valuable in terms of its ability to support a larger population. I would suggest that something similar happened over the past 10 years - the land area remained unchanged but its value was inflated because of the ready availability of credit both to developers and to the ordinary punter. So, the banks are still the people to blame !!!

[cactusflower]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Property was our economic potato. But I’ve noticed that those most dependent on property are generally not now the ones going hungry…[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]And the question of immigration is of some interest. After all, this website has seen extreme critics of immigration into Ireland also objecting to the feeding of foreigners by the Capuchin monks in Dublin. Clearly the foreigners are, to some minds, throw-away people who should look after themselves. Certainly, they often don’t qualify for ordinary welfare benefits and rely on charity and the discretion of community welfare officers, our modern-day dispensers of famine relief Doolough Tragedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Cormac Ó Gráda of UCD has written extensively on the subject of famine in general and the Irish Great Famine in particular: [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#800080]http://www.ucd.ie/research/people/economics/professorcormacograda/publications/[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Does anyone know if he’s identified any common themes between the utter horrors of that period and today’s relatively mild problems? He has recently authored an essay in comparative economic history with the intriguing title:[/FONT] [/FONT]'You take the high road and I'll take the low road: economic success and wellbeing in the longer run''

California is about to do away with Welfare. A million children will be homeless and without medical provision. They're going to let all non-violent offenders out of jail to save money.

http://machinenation.org/forum/viewt...p=81974#p81974

I don't think people have yet realised what's at stake here.