Translating legal documents into Irish will cost €3m

[USER1234]

Here is the article (from The Sunday Tribune 17/05/09):

Translating legal documents into Irish will cost ?3m


So not only will we spend €3m to €5m on translating documents, which are rarely read in english and nobody will ever read in irish at our expendse, but we are also wasting money on a new translation unit within the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs which means hiring a staff (more money on top of the €3m to €5m) + a director of the new unit who will get an annual salary of up to €133,000 (even more money on top of the €3m to €5m)

Look if you want to learn irish that fine, even laudible but were in a ressesion, so please do it it on your own dime and on your own time!!

Please stop forcing the goverment to tax waste our money by bring in laws which only drain our economy not help it!!!

[The People's Party]

That's cheap. It only costs 72,000 for the Council to resurface a country backroad, so really when you think about it, this is value for money.

[thedudeinthehat]

thanks for highlightin that. There are the kinda numbers we should be offering up to the likes of the galiban- the language fundamentalists.

[Corcaigh33]

Not translating legal documents into Irish could lead to costing us our language - and that's priceless.

[USER1234]

Im sorry but i disagree as the money is being wasted on something nobody will ever read, even an Irish-language activist has admitted this!!!.

Then there's the extra expense of setting up the new translation unit and paying all the staff and the directors salarys which is even more (and ongoing) money!!!

None of this is useful and the money could have been used for something the contry really needs (it could pave more than a few of those country backroads, even more if you including the ongoing salaries in the translation unit)!!!!

Corcaigh33 SAID:

Not translating legal documents into Irish could lead to costing us our language - and that's priceless.

If you want to learn irish that fine, even laudible but were in a ressesion, so please do it it on your own dime and on your own time!!

As to these documents being translated, as i said bearly anybody reads them in english and nobody will read them in irish!!

I will also state again: were in a ressesion, please stop forcing the goverment to tax waste our money (and this money is wasted!!) by bring in laws which only drain our economy not help it!!!

[Gruffalo]

Im sorry but i disagree as the money is being wasted on something nobody will ever read, even an Irish-language activist has admitted this!!!.

Then there's the extra expense of setting up the new translation unit and paying all the staff and the directors salarys which is even more (and ongoing) money!!!

None of this is useful and the money could have been used for something the contry really needs (it could pave more than a few of those country backroads, even more if you including the ongoing salaries in the translation unit)!!!!

Corcaigh33 SAID:


If you want to learn irish that fine, even laudible but were in a ressesion, so please do it it on your own dime and on your own time!!

As to these documents being translated, as i said bearly anybody reads them in english and nobody will read them in irish!!

I will also state again: were in a ressesion, please stop forcing the goverment to tax waste our money (and this money is wasted!!) by bring in laws which only drain our economy not help it!!!

We all make typos and spelling mistakes but this post was terrible. I have not even picked up on all the errors. Are you in a position to be giving out about any language?

And why all the exclamation marks?

[USER1234]

We all make typos and spelling mistakes but this post was terrible. I have not even picked up on all the errors. Are you in a position to be giving out about any language?

And why all the exclamation marks?

Fine i made a few mistakes in with my spellings and typos, how about you deal with the subject of the thread rather than my spellings and typos?

This thread is for not for talking about spelling but the wasteful spending of money on useless translations!!!

[Gruffalo]

Hey man how about you deal with the subject of the post rather than my spellings and typos?, as you seemed to pick up the meaning of my message

Stick to the subject and not the spellings and typos!!!

Gaeilge is the first language of the state and as such we have a right to access it. While I agree that €3 million on legal documents seems unnecessary, your suggestion that people should learn Irish on their own dime (you are clearly an ignorant yank) is highly offensive.

The fact that the Government needs to invest money in Gaeilge is beyond dispute, the manner in which that money should be invested is open to debate.

If you do not like it, learn English and go back to America.

[USER1234]

Gaeilge is the first language of the state and as such we have a right to access it. While I agree that €3 million on legal documents seems unnecessary, your suggestion that people should learn Irish on their own dime (you are clearly an ignorant yank) is highly offensive.

The fact that the Government needs to invest money in Gaeilge is beyond dispute, the manner in which that money should be invested is open to debate.

If you do not like it, learn English and go back to America.

Wow, are you way off

1) Im am not saying that people dont have a right to access irish, however while it is the official first language of this state, it is not the language 99 per percent of the population speak every day!

2) What we are talking about is alot more than €3 million, If you read the article in the link on my original post youd see that it will be €3 to €5 million just to translate the document which even an Irish-language activist admitted wont be read, then there are the ongoing cost of the salaries and running costs of the new translation unit within the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, so it will be alot more than €3 to €5, money which could be used in something more productive!!!

3) School children learning irish in school has been counter productive and only creates a dislike for the language, that time could be used for something we'd use in our normal day to day lives, if they want to learn more they can go and learn more in night classes (which could have goverment backing and financing!!!).

4) I am Irish born and bred, and trying to inslut me (by calling me a yank or slagging my spellings) just i because have different views to you is the sign of a poor debater!!!

[Gruffalo]

[quote=USER1234;1668124]

Wow, are you way off

Try phrasing that in English.

Im am not saying that people dont have a right to access irish,

You are denying them the right to state funded access to the language. You have said that anyone who wants to learn the language should do so on their own dime.

There is extensive investment in the English language in Ireland, yet your English is diabolical.

however while it is the official first language of this state, it is not the language 99 per percent of the population speak every day!

And? That just highlights the neglect which the language has suffered. Thank you for making my point for me.

2) what were are talking about is alot more than €3 million, it will be €3 to €5 million just to translate document which even an Irish-language activist admitted wont be read,

I didn't say that they should translate all documents. However, documents that allow people to live their everyday life through Gaeilge should be translated.

then there are the ongoing cost of the salewries and running costs of the translation unit within the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, so it will be alot more than €3 to €5, money which could be used in something more productive!!!

Do you think that putting extra exclamation marks at the end of your statements turns your stupid points into intelligent ones?

Not all translation is necessary, however some is, especially if people are to be free to live their lives through Gaeilge.

School children learning irish in school has been counter productive and only creates a dislike for the language,

Just try backing that up with some facts.

Schooling through Irish has increased 1275% since the early seventies, if you do not believe me check out Gaelscoileanna.ie, they have lots of info for you.

It has become very popular which is a clear sign that when it is taught properly, kids enjoy Irish.

that time could be used for something we'd use in our normal day to day lives, if they want to learn more they can go and learn more in night classes (which could have goverment backing and financing!!!).

Have you realised the stupidity of this point? You are complaining about the cost of teaching children Irish in school and yet you suggest that they should go to night classes, funded by the state. You are an idiot.

I also suggest that you read the constitution and the relevant legislation. You should stop arguing your silly points because most of your ideas are not legal in this country.

I am Irish born and bred, and trying to inslut me (by calling me a yank or slagging my spellings) just i have different views to you is the sign of a poor debater!!!

1. When the dime becomes part of Irish currency, I will believe you are Irish.
2. You are complaining about the money being spent on Gaeilge. Considering the vast majority of Education in Ireland is conducted through English, that means that a far greater quantity of money has been invested in the English language.

Highlighting how useless your English is, demonstrates that the investment in English could just as easily be considered a waste of money.