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    So just because a cartoonish economically-illiterate extremist ideology spectacularly failed (as it was always going to do) you now claim markets don't work at all? They've been working just fine for about 5,000 years now.

    Have a lie down and get some persepctive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMCW177 View Post
    Have a lie down and get some persepctive.
    Is that what you would tell the SR Technics workers if you happened to knock on a door canvassing?

    Tuff sh*t boys and girls - don't you know you are un-competitivie and the market rules all.

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    Well yeah. Cos I've been through that myself a couple of times in my working life. Sometimes your industry just fades away, sometimes technology moves on and your firm become obsolete, sometimes your managers are a bunch of clowns and make a mess of what could have been a profitable company.

    Such is life. Seems to me you don't live in the real world. If resources are not being put to economically efficient use then they should be shifted out of whatever sector or organisation they are in and redeployed.

    If there's a real business there then someone will step in to provide it and use whatever SR Technics resources they can make use of. If there isn't a viable business there then the lads will just have to find another industry to work in.

    I don't pay taxes to keep a load of lads employed sitting in a shed doing nothing all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMCW177 View Post
    I don't pay taxes to keep a load of lads employed sitting in a shed doing nothing all day.
    And of course you have first hand knowledge of all the lazy layabouts at Dublin Airport - have a bit of cop-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JollyRedGiant View Post
    And of course you have first hand knowledge of all the lazy layabouts at Dublin Airport - have a bit of cop-on.
    i suggest he is generalising here. Running any business properly needs to have a couple of important strands...good financial management, good middle management, good productivity, efficiency in all depts, proper and regular board meetings, a market, and of course a good product or service...period.

    If the business does not have the above basics, it will fail. It must also be capable of reacting to market forces, its planning forward is the map to survival and especially in the days, months and years we have ahead

    Is there room for complacency....NO
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    The days of the old "get a job in the public service"...job for life are gone.

    We need to move into survival mode..and without nets and soft landings..

    Good leaders in all sectors are whats needed...not wafflers, and parasites

    Easy to say...I admit
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    Quote Originally Posted by eskerman View Post
    i suggest he is generalising here. Running any business properly needs to have a couple of important strands...good financial management, good middle management, good productivity, efficiency in all depts, proper and regular board meetings, a market, and of course a good product or service...period.

    If the business does not have the above basics, it will fail.
    Exactly. It's not rocket science, is it?

    If SR were capable of providing a quality cost-effective service (and buyers exist for the service they were selling) and were undone by idiot management, then something should be salvageable from the wreck and there will be plenty of investors willing to step into the gap; OR there never was a viable business there and the lads just have to take the lumps, like any of the rest of us.

    I dunno, seems some people never made it too far from the apron strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMCW177 View Post
    Exactly. It's not rocket science, is it?

    If SR were capable of providing a quality cost-effective service (and buyers exist for the service they were selling) and were undone by idiot management, then something should be salvageable from the wreck and there will be plenty of investors willing to step into the gap; OR there never was a viable business there and the lads just have to take the lumps, like any of the rest of us.

    I dunno, seems some people never made it too far from the apron strings.
    I also think some people are "born" into jobs, apprentiships etc. Yes there are rules and regulations and pecking orders, we see the outcome all over the world where bad industrial relationships/coupled to bad productivity = failure.

    Look what happened to UK car and motorcycle industries in the 70s and 80s, rubbish management, rubbish productivity, poor quality, = closures.

    Do the lessons learnt never mean anything...no wonder there are those still wandering around in blinkers..
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    The Japanese arrived in Europe with the Honda 50 and the Toyota in the 70s and basically closed the British car and motorcycle industry down...that is also happening in the US with the likes of GM.

    The Japs have a different style of business, so have the Chinese, and those countries are still working off communism. Still very socialistic...but it works there because they have a totally different way of looking at life.

    I ran a seminar recently where we invited a large Chinese company to Ireland to discuss some co-operation going forward in the UK and Irish markets.

    Can I do business with the Chinese...you bet I can, can I be assured the product will have the quality I expect to compete in Europe, you bet I can, will the product be delivered on time, even with 30 days on the high seas...you bet I can.

    Could we make the product in Ireland and compete, not a chance. Do we have the technology...yes...! I rest my case
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    Quote Originally Posted by JollyRedGiant View Post
    Statement from Joe Higgins
    As venture capitalists seal their plan to smash 1,150 jobs at SR Technics by selling off the Landing Gear and Auxiliary Power Unit, the Irish Government and trade union leadership are in a state of pathetic paralysis.

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    I've enormous sympathy for the workers, if the company is so profitable why don't they club together and invest their savings and buy it.

    I guess the workers aren't as reckless as Higgins & the socialists who have no problem risking other peoples' savings, I wonder if it was their money would they invest in the company?

    When capital (savings) are in invested in the most productive areas, through the market, we all benefit. Think ipods, computers, technological progress, falling price of goods, enormous progress of living standards in last 100 years, free markets deliver and workers know that there is no point in theft.
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