Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 25

Thread: Do we need a Minister for Public Sector reform?

  1. #1
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    In negative equity.
    Posts
    3,356

    Do we need a Minister for Public Sector reform?

    This sounds like an ironic parrotting of Jim Hacker's job as minister for administrative affairs, but seriously - could it work?

    Pros:
    - it provides a cross-departmental body to implement all the reports that exist for it.
    - it holds one politician accountable for it.
    - it could have a sunset clause to ensure it does not become part of the problem.
    Cons:
    - it will be staffed by civil servants.

    Everyone is in favour of public sector reform, few can define it and no-one can do anything about it.,
    If the banks are out for a bail,
    and Lenny's efforts end up as a fail,
    when the Somer does come,
    to the Country they'll run,
    And leave a Fine mess for the Gael.

    Endinf the one Party (FF) state:

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  2. #2
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,023

    Yes.

    It must be a full Ministerial position and must be seen as operating with the full backing of an Taoiseach. Anything else is pointless.

    Needs to begin with a reform of the management information and financial management systems. Proper systems in this area would reduce the need for large swaths of middle management.

  3. #3
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Somewhere between Akureyri and Ushuaia
    Posts
    9,167

    Yes, I agree. But when Cowen & Lenihan outsource taxation decision making to the Commission on Taxation and urgently needed cutbacks to An Bord Snip (so that they can pretend it wasn't their decisions) I hold out little hope.

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  4. #4
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    heart of Europe
    Posts
    9,623

    Quote Originally Posted by FakeViking View Post
    Yes, I agree. But when Cowen & Lenihan outsource taxation decision making to the Commission on Taxation and urgently needed cutbacks to An Bord Snip (so that they can pretend it wasn't their decisions) I hold out little hope.
    Outsourcing decisions is the FF method of governance. They can then both deny accountability and fend off questions in the Dail.

  5. #5
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,023

    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Outsourcing decisions is the FF method of governance. They can then both deny accountability and fend off questions in the Dail.
    Fantastic point. All monies voted by Dail Eireann should be accountable for by a Minister. No public monies should be outside Dail questioning and accountability.

  6. #6
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Somewhere between Akureyri and Ushuaia
    Posts
    9,167

    Harney's whole agenda in setting up the HSE was to avoid this and allow wholesale privatisation on the sly.

    The PAC have done good work in this arena, but they're very limited in what they can do, and they're always chasing the waste after the event. A Minister for Public Service Reform might work, but if you put a useless waste of space like Gormless (as proven on todays News at One) in charge, things might even get worse.

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  7. #7
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    In negative equity.
    Posts
    3,356

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich OC View Post
    Fantastic point. All monies voted by Dail Eireann should be accountable for by a Minister. No public monies should be outside Dail questioning and accountability.
    I would love to see a culture of honourable resignation develop in irish politics and public service. Too many costly errors go unpunished. Too many of those who deserve punishment get sympathy and compensation.

    The Dept. Of Public Sector reform would need to have a fixed time clause- but culture of delegation to avoid accountability makes its prospect under cowen impossible.
    If the banks are out for a bail,
    and Lenny's efforts end up as a fail,
    when the Somer does come,
    to the Country they'll run,
    And leave a Fine mess for the Gael.

    Endinf the one Party (FF) state:

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  8. #8
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,778

    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    This sounds like an ironic parrotting of Jim Hacker's job as minister for administrative affairs, but seriously - could it work?

    It could work and should be done without delay but FF under Cowen haven't got the strategic vision, the competence or the political cojones to implement it.

    Benchmarking Bertie sold this country's future down the river with his votebuying giveaways to the public sector and it will take a better and more able leader than Cowen to row back on these excesses.

    Unfortunately, FG prob have the will to tackle the issue but will be hamstrung by their coalition partners who are obviously more beholden to the Unions than even "I'm a socialist" Bertie!

  9. #9
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Dublin South
    Posts
    10,466

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel CNC View Post
    It could work and should be done without delay but FF under Cowen haven't got the strategic vision, the competence or the political cojones to implement it.

    Benchmarking Bertie sold this country's future down the river with his votebuying giveaways to the public sector and it will take a better and more able leader than Cowen to row back on these excesses.

    Unfortunately, FG prob have the will to tackle the issue but will be hamstrung by their coalition partners who are obviously more beholden to the Unions than even "I'm a socialist" Bertie!
    How far do you think this row back should go? Anything to offer other that red top sound bytes?
    Voters don't decide issues, they decide who will decide issues.

    George Will

  10. #10
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    5,944

    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    This sounds like an ironic parrotting of Jim Hacker's job as minister for administrative affairs, but seriously - could it work?
    No, it would just compartmentalise public sector reform and sideline it. So, for the sake of argument, some spastic act like decentralisation would never be joined up as being in conflict with it.

    The way to promote change is, well, just to change. If we'd a Government answerable to a Dail elected by voters who really gave a damn, then you'd see change.
    However, banks know they have a duty of care to their clients and I'm sure that this should prevent them lending irresponsibly.


    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. 3 Main Obstacles to Public sector Reform
    By mollox in forum Economy
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 16th December 2009, 08:15 AM
  2. Replies: 43
    Last Post: 24th November 2009, 11:49 AM
  3. An Bord Snip - Public Sector reform
    By DCon in forum Economy
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 5th July 2009, 09:23 PM
  4. Cowen says Public Sector reform 'ongoing'
    By birthday in forum Current Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 29th April 2009, 01:03 PM
  5. Public sector reform-the buck stops here?
    By patslatt in forum Health and Social Affairs
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 4th June 2007, 11:42 PM