The queue for shop assistant positions

[Odyessus]

I understood that the employer applied for a work permit for a non EU national on the basis that he couldn't get an EU national and their job required special skills.

The Dept of Enterprise have a list of skills for which work permits can (in theory)be granted. This has been cut back (rightly so if belatedly) this month. Under the work permit scheme the foreign worker is tied to that employer and if that job ends the worker has no rights to work even if he can find another job.

It sounds as if the brazilians in the queue may have lost the legitimate work they had, and don't want to go back. they will have PPS nos from the legitimate work they had - so how will Londis or whoever know that they don't have the right to work. Normally an employer will only ask for your PPS no.

What links/checks are there between the relevant govt depts to ensure that non EU workers on now irrelevant work permits dont continue working? Almost certainly none! You would need to send inspectors to places where there are known to be foreighn workers to get PPS nos/details and check against work permits.

Some of the Brazilians may be students. I have met students from Brazil here.

Non EU students (genuine or otherwise) should no longer be allowed to work here. That will free up work for Irish/EU people.

Hands up all everyone who believes that people from Brazil, China and other far-flung places, are paying thousands of Euros to come all the way to Ireland just to learn English?

[fionnmccool]

Hands up all everyone who believes that people from Brazil, China and other far-flung places, are paying thousands of Euros to come all the way to Ireland just to learn English?

The minimum wage in Brasil is about 100 euro a month

[bluefish]

Whats even more scarier is that Swine flu comes from that part of the world!

So we are increasing our chances of infecting the populace of Ireland.

[Tressell]

Whats even more scarier is that Swine flu comes from that part of the world!

So we are increasing our chances of infecting the populace of Ireland.

Atishoo! Snots all over computer.

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Oh, did you just add that "migration" bit when you edited your post?

The fact is if people are legally able to work in Ireland, or Londis, then there should be no problem with them queuing for hours to have an interview.

WOuld you have a problem with legal Irish immigrants, in countries like the US or Australia, being discriminated against?

Everyone is in a tough situation and everyone is just trying to get by.

right on bro. just getting sick of all these irish/non-irish arguments. Those were people who entered the country legally and were allowed to work.

if the majority of them were non-irish, the only logical question to ask ourselves is "why no irish queuing up for the job interview?". the people i saw outside the welfare office queuing up to signon seemed to consist mainly of irish.

our immigration policy has little to do with the number of foreign nationals arriving here to find work. to stop them coming, our only choice is to leave EU. if this is not an option, get over it and get yourself prepared to compete with these "foreign nationals".

[pete2]

Whats even more scarier is that Swine flu comes from that part of the world!

So we are increasing our chances of infecting the populace of Ireland.

Thats the least of your worries. Pakistan is now heading towards civil war, guess where the refugees and radicals will be coming to hide out?

[Twin Towers]

our immigration policy has little to do with the number of foreign nationals arriving here to find work. to stop them coming, our only choice is to leave EU. if this is not an option, get over it and get yourself prepared to compete with these "foreign nationals".

Germanys restriction on low skilled E European workers continues till 2011 and you can look up the other "EU" for eurself.

[anewbeginning]

right on bro. just getting sick of all these irish/non-irish arguments. Those were people who entered the country legally and were allowed to work.

if the majority of them were non-irish, the only logical question to ask ourselves is "why no irish queuing up for the job interview?". the people i saw outside the welfare office queuing up to signon seemed to consist mainly of irish.

our immigration policy has little to do with the number of foreign nationals arriving here to find work. to stop them coming, our only choice is to leave EU. if this is not an option, get over it and get yourself prepared to compete with these "foreign nationals".

A lot of things which are legal aren't right for a country.

It's legal for developer A to hand politician B a wad of money and call it an election donation when to everyone else it is a bribe.

Remember who makes the laws and for whose benefit they make them, usually for themselves and their friends.

Whether these immigrants are legal or not is kind of beside the point. We cannot sustain large scale legal or illegal immigration at the moment, when we head for 500,000 unemployed.

I know people who argue that will be compared to concentration camp gaurds for saying that by hysterical people.

Economically we cannot sustain large scale immigration, indeed we never could, and no country could.

Students coming from Brazil and Pakistan to 'learn English' should not be allowed stay here longer than a month.

Does anyone else believe we have probably the laxist enforcement of immigration laws in the world?

How many people are deported annually from this country because of breaking immigration laws and how many who break those laws are not deported?

Many immigrants who arrive here and overstay their permit, simply disappear and gardai never catch up with them. We need tough enforcement of immigration laws, we need to kickout immigrant lawbreakers, we need to prioritise Irish unemployed and we need to turn off the tap of immigrants into this country. Otherwise the half million mark of unemployed will be reached sooner than we think.

We cannot find jobs for our own people and yet we seem to be able to find jobs for tens of thousands of non nationals. Something isn't right there and people who cannot distunguish between the economic and racist argument are best ignored.