3,700 new jobs in renewable energy - ESB

[VeryVert]

The ESB is set to create up to 3,700 contract jobs as part of a stimulus plan based around renewable energy. As part of the scheme 800 apprentices will be trained over the next five years, including 400 FÁS apprentices who lost their jobs in the slump.

ESB chief executive Pádraig McManus said the investment plans would have no price impact for domestic or commerical customers. He said the developments would create 3,700 new jobs, sustain a further 1,300 exisiting staff posts and involve hiring apprentices and engineers. “Overall the package involves around 6,000 jobs”, he told RTÉ Radio One this afternoon. Source: Irish Times breaking news story

To all those who said that the Greens in Government would wreck the economy: **** off once and for all!

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[Oriel27]

This is good news and we should all have faith in it.
But over on another thread KerryNorth thinks we are all doomed.

[Geckko]

To all those who said that the Greens in Government would wreck the economy: **** off once and for all!

A bit of critical analysis please, there is no reason why this is necessarily a good thing.

Think about the following statment that could have been made in Ireland only 18 months ago:

"20,000 new jobs in construction."

[VeryVert]

A bit of critical analysis please, there is no reason why this is necessarily a good thing.

Think about the following statment that could have been made in Ireland only 18 months ago:

"20,000 new jobs in construction."

These jobs will add to our bases of knowledge and exportable skills, in sustainable, high value industries.

We have long criticised the prioritisation of the type of jobs that contributed to the under-insulated, under-sized, over-priced, poorly located, badly served accommodation with which we're now blighted.

[alonso]

A bit of critical analysis please, there is no reason why this is necessarily a good thing.

Think about the following statment that could have been made in Ireland only 18 months ago:

"20,000 new jobs in construction."

20,000 unsustainable jobs in a housing bubble that will burst any day now with horrendous consequences for the economy? Is that what you meant? or was it 20,000 jobs building crap houses in fields owned by Fianna Fail's friends out of the reach of all public services? Maybe that was it? Or 20,000 jobs for immigrants to build houses for other immigrants who will fck off when Ireland Inc goes south leaving vacant ghost estates all over rural ireland?

These 3,700 jobs will be 7,000 in 5 years, maybe 10,000 in 10 and 20,000 in 20... who knows. They are sustainable, permanentjobs in an industry that will and cannot shrink for another 50 years at least, if ever

[Geckko]

These 3,700 jobs will be 7,000 in 5 years, maybe 10,000 in 10 and 20,000 in 20... who knows. They are sustainable, permanentjobs in an industry that will and cannot shrink for another 50 years at least, if ever

That's nice. Because right now they are heavily cross subsidised jobs devoted to completely inefficient production that exist only at the behest of government regulation and tax payers money.

This bit is particularly endearing and deserves repeating:

an industry that will and cannot shrink for another 50 years at least, if ever

Meanwhile, in the real world:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6073997.ece

Britain’s wind energy industry increased its call for state aid yesterday, after new figures showed that investment in the sector has collapsed by nearly 80 per cent.

Ever???

[riven]

This is the level of thinking that is required to bring renewables into play. However

'Among the new jobs are 750 jobs smart networks, smart meters (750), electric vehicles (600), wind energy (300), construction, including the redevelopment of the Dublin headquarters (550) and an eco fund (350).

Some 250 engineers and 50 other professionals will be among the new positions.

ESB said it will finance 50 apprentices each year for the next four years to allow them complete a third level engineering degree.'

I would think that there would be huge overlap between 750 in smart grids 750 in smart meters and 600 in electric vehicles as the smart network would be administering all the other items such as the meters and the vehicles. In smart meters I would see job creation only in services (i.e. install/repair guy). For electric vehicles infastructure would need to be slightly adapted (but since charging can be done at home how much really) and sales. I would rather see more jobs in smart networks with others being more minor.
If ESB go smart nethwork on this scale it will be truely ground breaking.

I question the need for 300 engineers on winds and also where the funding will come to supply this required number of wind farms for these 300 engineers. Are we for example going to get vestas to set up shop here?

Why do we need 550 extra jobs to construct one headquaters? Maybe it is a logical number but how ong do these jobs last or why not use existing people.

I am slightly worried that out of the 3700 jobs only 250 engineers are going to be hired and that there is no other reference to other suitable qualifications. This sector is build on engineering so why not more. And why limit engineering places to apprentices?

Details details.

[alonso]

That's nice. Because right now they are heavily cross subsidised jobs devoted to completely inefficient production that exist only at the behest of government regulation and tax payers money.

This bit is particularly endearing and deserves repeating:



Meanwhile, in the real world:
Green energy feels the chill in harsh economic climate - Times Online



Ever???

The news comes as the Institute of Public Policy Research (IPPR) prepares to publish a report next week that will warn that Britain must act now if it is to take the opportunity to build a thriving offshore wind energy industry that could employ as many as 70,000 people. The institute said that only 700 people were employed in the sector at present.

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[Geckko]

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You provide predictions from a government "think tank".

I provide data and facts.

This "industry" (which at the stage of technological development is nothing more than subsidy farming) is in fact shrinking right now. It will do so until governments can start throwing our tax money at it again in ever larger quantities.

[feargach]

Well, this is so far the only quasi-meaningful result for the greens coalition with the party they excoriated for their entire existence.

No extra renewable energy has yet come onstream. As of now, all new renewable energy is already in line with FF's pre-coalition policy. This is the first one that might maybe be classed as potentially attributable to the Greens' propping up of FF.