Pay and employment trends in the public and private sectors

[hopi watcher]

Anyway the original point is being lost: that the top dog in An Bord Snip Nua has clear views on subject of the pay disparity.

You are hardly surprised with what McCarthy is now saying, he has been saying such for donkeys and that is the reason that this government appointed him. They know in advance what he will recommend.

[bormotello]

Bottled water (paying for what you can get for free out of the tap) and sandwiches that cost 1500% what it costs to make them? That's the best Ireland's private sector can do. Those are our business champions: reasonably good imitations of things that had already been done and perfected elsewhere are the pinnacle of our private sector achievement.

Of coarse, it will cost a lot, because country is full of overpaid public workers, which don’t deserve to shop in Lidl for services what they are providing. There is no reason to drop prices, because PS workers can afford everything.

If Ireland's public sector aimed as low as its private businesses, we'd be taken over by Zimbabwe.

At least public services in Zimbabwe are providing better value for money then Irish.
May be they are doing 10% of their job, but they paid less then 1% of Irish salaries.
Irish PS workers have salaries bigger then their German colleagues, but provide level of service which only African countries can be proud of

OK I realise that the real culprit are the banks who still refuse to loan a penny to non-property businesses, but the point still stands.
Irish business standards would probably improve if they got some decent credit from the banks, and the take-home pay of private sector employees relative to the public sector would improve as a result of them starting to raise their game.

Irish business standards will improve only when management will start to pay wages to employees only based on performance, but not on demands from unions.
Otherwise it will race to the bottom. Private sector workers will demand higher salaries. PS workers will do the same. Management will increase prices. But because Ireland don’t have own currency, very soon everybody will realize that all income is coming from export industries. So all pressure will be put on successful companies. Successful will leave Ireland. PS and private sector will stay alone and will start to each other.

[selfemployedmar]

Does anyone here really understand the business world?? The position is this, we quote for work if labour rates are agreed by union at a very high amount, we cant compete and we loose the contracts!! The large companies that we quote to and invest in Ireland just say wait we are not going to be held to ransom by unions. Pull the plug, the knock on effect is that small business suffer, retail etc suffer the whole community suffer. The large corporations are leaving Ireland for this very reason, they wont tolerate unions and rightly so. Why should anyone be dicated to in business, when they the business owners take all the risks! The more wage increases the more employers PRSI we have to pay, which reflects on our costs, long before profit is even thought of we have to include, rates and overheads, revenue costs, and large wages before we prepare quote. How in gods name could we possibly be competitive? I have had many an employee that took the pee, in relation to mileage, food allowances etc etc. Then my customer turned around and told me they were not even there for the full 8 hrs I paid them...

[selfemployedmar]

Many many times my employees took more weekly wages in a week than I took in a month! I was the one that worked the 7 days a week sometimes..

[feargach]

Irish business standards will improve only when management will start to pay wages to employees only based on performance, but not on demands from unions.

I'm in the private sector, by the way. In my experience unions are as rare as hen's teeth in your average private sector employer. Don't the stats show that only a tiny percentage of Irish private sector workers are unionised?