Immigration Policy

[k974]

Hi all,

I've been reading this forum for a while now but this is my first post. I've been living in Australia for a few years and thankfully things aren’t that bad compared to home.

Anyway when I first got here I had a 1yr working holiday visa, I got a job and they asked me to stay and sponsored me, at the time there was a big shortage in my area of work so was easy to get sponsorship from there i got my permanent residency and subsequently my citizenship this year. Only until after 2 years of a permanent residency was I entitled to any benefits so I was in Australia nearly 5 years before I was entitled to any sort of benefits.

Now just recently the government here has announced a cut back on the in take in skilled migration visas and have taken most of the construction jobs off the list this has effect quite a lot of people that I know thru the football etc out here that had planned on staying.

Basically my long winded post is getting to the point that in Australia to increase/decrease the number of migrants left in according to the economic situation.

Why Ireland doesn’t do this, why aren’t the work permits been substantially cut in some areas particularly construction. Australia manages the intake by assessing the skills most in demand at the current time and takes people in that way. In addition they have certain requirements regarding English language ability etc. These are for skilled migration permanent visas. They also take people in on employer schemes for seasonal and low skilled worked as required. Another major point is that to get a permanent visa for here you need to meet certain health criteria and pass police checks.

It seems to me if you make the point that immigration should be based on the demands for particular skills depending on the economic situation at that time and screen who you do and don’t want based on skills, health and character your seen as racist. Yes Ireland has an obligation to take in some refugees as do Australia but it also has an obligation to its own people to effectively manage who they take in via work permits and they are benefitting the country by doing so. Australia is the probably the country who manages immigration most effectively in the world and has the arguably has the most multi cultural society around Ireland could learn a lot from their way of doing things.

[Trampas]

Australia is in a position to control its borders. Ireland is not.

[DaBrow]

Hi all,

I've been reading this forum for a while now but this is my first post. I've been living in Australia for a few years and thankfully things aren’t that bad compared to home.

Anyway when I first got here I had a 1yr working holiday visa, I got a job and they asked me to stay and sponsored me, at the time there was a big shortage in my area of work so was easy to get sponsorship from there i got my permanent residency and subsequently my citizenship this year. Only until after 2 years of a permanent residency was I entitled to any benefits so I was in Australia nearly 5 years before I was entitled to any sort of benefits.

Now just recently the government here has announced a cut back on the in take in skilled migration visas and have taken most of the construction jobs off the list this has effect quite a lot of people that I know thru the football etc out here that had planned on staying.

Basically my long winded post is getting to the point that in Australia to increase/decrease the number of migrants left in according to the economic situation.

Why Ireland doesn’t do this, why aren’t the work permits been substantially cut in some areas particularly construction. Australia manages the intake by assessing the skills most in demand at the current time and takes people in that way. In addition they have certain requirements regarding English language ability etc. These are for skilled migration permanent visas. They also take people in on employer schemes for seasonal and low skilled worked as required. Another major point is that to get a permanent visa for here you need to meet certain health criteria and pass police checks.

It seems to me if you make the point that immigration should be based on the demands for particular skills depending on the economic situation at that time and screen who you do and don’t want based on skills, health and character your seen as racist. Yes Ireland has an obligation to take in some refugees as do Australia but it also has an obligation to its own people to effectively manage who they take in via work permits and they are benefitting the country by doing so. Australia is the probably the country who manages immigration most effectively in the world and has the arguably has the most multi cultural society around Ireland could learn a lot from their way of doing things.

Hate to break it to you but Australia has a terrible history with how it has treated the aborigines.

Australia only ended the White Australia Policy in 1973, prior to that no-one else was allowed immigrate to the country.

Also Australia has had numerous clashes between Neo-nazis and other ethnic groups most recently as far back as 2007 in Sydney.


Multicultural policies in Australia have failed on numerous occassions, partly because Aussies are really not that tolerant as people.

My sister visited the place as part of travelling last year and said that she found most Australians Arrogant, Patronising and Sexist.................. not all of them but I have seen this aswell.


Ireland immigration policy is A&E: Anyone and Everyone..................... but not the Diaspora whom have helped this country through more tough times in our history to acknowledged or rewarded.

EU Directives mean we cannot halt EU Migration without Permission from Brussels - Courtesy of Maastricht and Nice


If we allowed Diaspora children that were predomiently Irish and were culturally in touch with Irish Values/Traditions, then I see that would work because they would assimilate and actually integrate because there would be no culture clash or conflict like we are staring to see now..................... which has plagued the rest of europe.

[seabhcan]

Hi all,

I've been reading this forum for a while now but this is my first post. I've been living in Australia for a few years and thankfully things aren’t that bad compared to home.

Anyway when I first got here I had a 1yr working holiday visa, I got a job and they asked me to stay and sponsored me, at the time there was a big shortage in my area of work so was easy to get sponsorship from there i got my permanent residency and subsequently my citizenship this year. Only until after 2 years of a permanent residency was I entitled to any benefits so I was in Australia nearly 5 years before I was entitled to any sort of benefits.

Now just recently the government here has announced a cut back on the in take in skilled migration visas and have taken most of the construction jobs off the list this has effect quite a lot of people that I know thru the football etc out here that had planned on staying.

Basically my long winded post is getting to the point that in Australia to increase/decrease the number of migrants left in according to the economic situation.

Why Ireland doesn’t do this, why aren’t the work permits been substantially cut in some areas particularly construction. Australia manages the intake by assessing the skills most in demand at the current time and takes people in that way. In addition they have certain requirements regarding English language ability etc. These are for skilled migration permanent visas. They also take people in on employer schemes for seasonal and low skilled worked as required. Another major point is that to get a permanent visa for here you need to meet certain health criteria and pass police checks.

It seems to me if you make the point that immigration should be based on the demands for particular skills depending on the economic situation at that time and screen who you do and don’t want based on skills, health and character your seen as racist. Yes Ireland has an obligation to take in some refugees as do Australia but it also has an obligation to its own people to effectively manage who they take in via work permits and they are benefitting the country by doing so. Australia is the probably the country who manages immigration most effectively in the world and has the arguably has the most multi cultural society around Ireland could learn a lot from their way of doing things.

There have been close to zero work permits issued in Ireland for construction since 2004, if not exactly zero. And migrants from outside the EU can not get dole or other benefits until they have been in Ireland, basically, long enough to qualify for citizenship. In Ireland you have to work for 5 years to apply for citizenship, and the processing time is currently 4 years, so no-one who's worked less than about 9 years gets citizenship. If you lose your job before you qualify your work permit ends and you leave. While on a work permit you can't change jobs at all - you have to leave the country and reapply.

Ireland's controls on non-Eu workers is a lot more strict than australian controls on foreigners.

but just as Queensland cant restrict immigrants from New South Wales, migrants within the EU have the freedom to live and work in other states of the union.

[Staropramen]

but just as Queensland cant restrict immigrants from New South Wales, migrants within the EU have the freedom to live and work in other states of the union.

Not true. Only Ireland, Sweden, and the UK opened their borders fully to the the new accession countries.

[seabhcan]

Not true. Only Ireland, Sweden, and the UK opened their borders fully to the the new accession countries.

Fair enough, but beside all the hype about poles there are large numbers of Brits, Spanish and French workers in Ireland, and large numbers of Irish working in Germany Spain and the UK - just as large numbers of Australians work in states other than where they were born.

[Risteard]

NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, WA, ACT & NT are not countries. Ireland is.

[k974]

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Multicultural policies in Australia have failed on numerous occassions, partly because Aussies are really not that tolerant as people.

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Yes Australia hasn’t covered itself in glory regarding the treatment of the aborigines, in fact they only offered a formal apology as late as last year. Many of the Australians are ignorant of other countries and traditions, and the country has its flaws. But its recent history regarding its immigration policy and the way it manages it has to be commended.

As for the neo Nazis comment I think your talking about the Lebanese vs Aussies on the Sydney beachs a couple years ago, Again Australia isn’t perfect but what it has got is a well managed system unlike Ireland. Australia puts its own country first and adjusts to the ecominc climate, the skills list is updated changed every 6 months. I belief that would be a fair and reasonable thing for Ireland to do, cut the intake now as things aren’t so good, and adjust accordingly when the economic situation improves. The free for all at present wont work.


I'd be interested to know which polices you feel didnt work in Australia and why Australians are intolerant people. Aussies are very tolernat people everyone gets a "fair go" you'll hear Aussies say he's a c*nt or a good bloke not judged on race but on the person themselves. Sure there are plenty rednecks here but the country is very mulicultural. Over 20% of the people are immigrants and Australia takes in a new immgrant every 4mins. It has very minor problems for a country that takes in so many.

Anyway thats not the point the point is that Ireland should adjust the numbers according to the times. Sure Ireland needs immigration i think everyone agrees on that. At the moment i'm sure health professionals IT etc are needed and construction workers are not, and in a few years more construction workers may be required.

[Staropramen]

Fair enough, but beside all the hype about poles there are large numbers of Brits, Spanish and French workers in Ireland, and large numbers of Irish working in Germany Spain and the UK - just as large numbers of Australians work in states other than where they were born.

Of course there is. But on the other hand immigration from eastern europe is a one way street. I dare say there are no more than 10,000 Irish and British nationals in the accession states as a whole. It is basically transporting cheap labour from eastern to western europe, benefitting the immigrants and big businesses. Not the Irish and British natives.

[Trampas]

NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, WA, ACT & NT are not countries. Ireland is.

You forgot Tasmania, an island about the size of Ireland, although it is easy to forget something so insignificant.........