Originally Posted by NewRepublic
Oh well at least you have more humanity than the Russians. They went down the road of slaughtering the peasant farmers.
Thats not actually true. the level of sabotage became so great that drastic measures had to be taken to stop it. But there were millions of saboteurs in Russia, whereas you only have 125,000 farmers to begin with in the 26, and only 40,000 of them full time.
Legally purchased more like, thanks to Michael Davitt and the Land League. A true man of the people.
Michael Davitt wanted the big estates nationalized for the benefit of the whole people, but the grabbers and the Irish Party shafted him and the Irish nation.
He had absolutely no support for hsi proposals. Of course he was going to be shafted. The Irish people would never have tolerated collectivisation. Let alone the fact it simply does not work!
“Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen” - Albert Einstein
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"I agree that the subsidy system is flawed. It's totally immoral too."
How do you know that it is immoral? Have you a direct line to the Almighty? Why do you Staters moralise so much?
Thou shalt not take the name of God in vain.
What do you mean by "the Irish people?" Only a small minority of the Irish people benefitted from the break up of the estates - and a big percentage of those who did benefit were the most hated grabbers, who had grabbed the land of famine victims.
I tell you one thing, its not forgotten in many parts of the countryside who the grabber families were. A great number of the "strong farmers" who are bleeding the country dry, have that mark of Cain on them.
That idea could not float as we were part of the UK. For the people would have meant for the British. A case of better have the poor farmers own it rather than the British.
Anyway, as you say the Irish would not tolerate it therefore it didnt happen and wont
A very large percentage of the Irish people at the time were on the land and every was related to a small farmer somewhere. Do you actually think that after getting rid of the English landlords they would have willingly given their land over to the State? Of course they wouldn't.
“Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen” - Albert Einstein
They didnt really get rid of the English landlords - some of them are still very large landowners in Ireland. Most landlords went bankrupt after the famine and were glad to sell up. You are getting involved with the question of nationalism there, which certainly gave the grabbers an advantage, but it is a huge overstatement to say that the Irish people would not accept nationalisation of the land, as most of them would only have the kind of secondary contact with the question you describe. Davitt was very far before his time, in relation to the grabbers and to the British government, so I dont imagine anything else could have happened than did - but we today do not have to stay under the cosh of such a tiny and pampered minority.
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