Its time to Nationalise Ireland's land

[FutureTaoiseach]

Congratulations you're about to get your wish under Lenihan's bank bailout plan. Every property loan in the country and by extension the affected lands will now be owned by NAMA.

[Cael]

Yes, I agree. I know of people who made a lot of money over the last 10 years from land around country towns and villages. The developer wasn't paying over the odds and then building houses for people out of the goodness of his heart. He was in if for P R O F I T. Yes that terrible word. What are you going to do about it? Tap away on your keyboard and think you'll make a difference? Hope that someone in power will read your posts? Ain't going to happen. Neither is your happy clappy land where everyone has a house on 5 acres and grows all their own veg.
It's capitalism, it's not perfect, it's broken, it's not fair, but get on with it.

Yes, the slavers of the Roman empire said the same thing - its slavery, its not fair, but hey, we are making a fortune, so it cant be all bad.

[Cael]

Congratulations you're about to get your wish under Lenihan's bank bailout plan. Every property loan in the country and by extension the affected lands will now be owned by NAMA.

That would indeed be a positive step, but dont forget its Fianna Fail we're dealing with. You can be sure that the state will be bankrupt ten times over before they actually take anything from their dig out chums.

[willoughby]

How much did they pay per acre?

What price is that land per acre now?

Do you think the improvements they made to that land account for the difference in price?

Of course it dosnt.

The difference is accounted for by the increased productivity of the landless worker, which your father has now effectively stolen.

Not sure of the exact price but do know that they spent most of their working lives paying it off.
Farmers dont want land to be dear as it only suits a minority of farmers near towns who have lost love for their trade. I would be as happy if land was €1000 an acre. That way serious farmers could afford to expand and become more profitable. The price of land was artificially increased by the developer and speculators not the farmer.

Also farmers who got land through the land commision had to pay for it through special rates and taxes.

How do you propose this nationalised land be worked.

This policy worked well in Russia didnt it.

How is it going there now.

[Cael]

Not sure of the exact price but do know that they spent most of their working lives paying it off.
Farmers dont want land to be dear as it only suits a minority of farmers near towns who have lost love for their trade. I would be as happy if land was €1000 an acre. That way serious farmers could afford to expand and become more profitable. The price of land was artificially increased by the developer and speculators not the farmer.

Also farmers who got land through the land commision had to pay for it through special rates and taxes.

How do you propose this nationalised land be worked.

This policy worked well in Russia didnt it.

How is it going there now.

Eventually it did work in Russia, and even today most farms are state farms. But it is nonsense to compare the Russia of the 1920s with Ireland today. In Russia you had tens of millions of people who totally depended on the land and only a tiny urban population in comparison. In the 26 today, there are only 40,000 full time farmers and the Irish economy is certainly not dependant on agriculture in any way that is comparible to Russia of the 1920s.

I propose that state farms be put in place to work the land. Farmers would be offered jobs in the state farm that includes the land they used to own, so that they do not have to be parted from the land they love. Some may not accept out of spite, but you might be surprised how many would accept. That was the experiance in Spain during the civil war - and indeed in Russia (though there was quite a lot of sabotage there from former owners.)

[willoughby]

So make the farmers work their own land after stealing it from them.

Farming is the most dependable industry in the economy.

Cant say that about anything else(banking, Building, Tourism etc.) all of which are also subsidised by the taxpayer....

[irish_bob]

Eventually it did work in Russia, and even today most farms are state farms. But it is nonsense to compare the Russia of the 1920s with Ireland today. In Russia you had tens of millions of people who totally depended on the land and only a tiny urban population in comparison. In the 26 today, there are only 40,000 full time farmers and the Irish economy is certainly not dependant on agriculture in any way that is comparible to Russia of the 1920s.

I propose that state farms be put in place to work the land. Farmers would be offered jobs in the state farm that includes the land they used to own, so that they do not have to be parted from the land they love. Some may not accept out of spite, but you might be surprised how many would accept. That was the experiance in Spain during the civil war - and indeed in Russia (though there was quite a lot of sabotage there from former owners.)

you,ve got quite an ego , havent you

[Cael]

So make the farmers work their own land after stealing it from them.

Farming is the most dependable industry in the economy.

Cant say that about anything else(banking, Building, Tourism etc.) all of which are also subsidised by the taxpayer....

Give the farmers the opportunity to work the land they still own, in common with all other citizens. What's happening now is that a few people are stealing the land from its rightful owners - all the people of Ireland, as stated in the 1916 Proclamation.

Farming is only dependable in so much as farmers, on average, depend on the taxpayer for two thirds of their farm income. Any industry in the world would be dependable if you could say that about it.

Indeed, its time to nationalize the banks - looks like its happening anyway. If you nationalize the land and the banks, you have automatically nationalized the construction industry.

[NewRepublic]

Eventually it did work in Russia, and even today most farms are state farms. But it is nonsense to compare the Russia of the 1920s with Ireland today. In Russia you had tens of millions of people who totally depended on the land and only a tiny urban population in comparison. In the 26 today, there are only 40,000 full time farmers and the Irish economy is certainly not dependant on agriculture in any way that is comparible to Russia of the 1920s.

I propose that state farms be put in place to work the land. Farmers would be offered jobs in the state farm that includes the land they used to own, so that they do not have to be parted from the land they love. Some may not accept out of spite, but you might be surprised how many would accept. That was the experiance in Spain during the civil war - and indeed in Russia (though there was quite a lot of sabotage there from former owners.)

Oh well at least you have more humanity than the Russians. They went down the road of slaughtering the peasant farmers.

[baldur0300]

Im not talking about giving land to anyone, it should be all in public hands and farming should be done on an industrial scale.

When has that ever worked? It usually results in mass starvation.