Its time to Nationalise Ireland's land

[Factorem]

Em, how did they get it after the 1840's genocide when the landed gentry of our "great neighbour" still owned the land? Did you ever hear of the Land Comission? I think I remember hearing that they divided the land up among the "Irish People" back in the mid 20th centuary.

The same State that broke up the old estates using the mechanism of inheritance tax laws. We'd do well to break up a couple of farms again so that ordinary people can build ordinary houses and lead respectable lives in peace. The 2 jobs, 2 cars, high stress lifestyle that the youth currently "aspire" to is very sad and completely unnecessary in a country where there's an abundance of land.

It's the tax system, legal system and bad government structures that has this country in the mess that it's in with regard land and peoples' houses.

[Cael]

My father and grandfather had to pay for their land.

Taking something that someone else has paid for is called stealing.

How much did they pay per acre?

What price is that land per acre now?

Do you think the improvements they made to that land account for the difference in price?

Of course it dosnt.

The difference is accounted for by the increased productivity of the landless worker, which your father has now effectively stolen.

[jimmyjames]

The same State that broke up the old estates using the mechanism of inheritance tax laws. We'd do well to break up a couple of farms again so that ordinary people can build ordinary houses and lead respectable lives in peace. The 2 jobs, 2 cars, high stress lifestyle that the youth currently "aspire" to is very sad and completely unnecessary in a country where there's an abundance of land.

It's the tax system, legal system and bad government structures that has this country in the mess that it's in with regard land and peoples' houses.

"Ordinary people can build ordinary houses and lead respectable lives in peace"? So now it is the farmers fault that "ordinary people" can't get houses and live their lives??? What particular shade of **************************************** are you talking? Who bought the land to build the over inflated house to sell to the "ordinary people"? Yes.....the developer. If the developer was willing to pay idiotic prices for land then pass the cost onto the buyer then it's his problem. It's called commerce. Happens everyday. Lifes not fair.

[Cael]

Em, how did they get it after the 1840's genocide when the landed gentry of our "great neighbour" still owned the land? Did you ever hear of the Land Comission? I think I remember hearing that they divided the land up among the "Irish People" back in the mid 20th centuary.

Estates were being broken up by the encumbered estates act by the 1850s and distributed to the natives - on the basis of what holding they already rented. The bigger farmers increased these holdings by grabbing the land of genocide victims.

[jimmyjames]

Estates were being broken up by the encumbered estates act by the 1850s and distributed to the natives - on the basis of what holding they already rented. The bigger farmers increased these holdings by grabbing the land of genocide victims.

Well I have to say I wasn't aware of that. But what were the genocide victims going to do with the land anyway? Might as well have someone working it.

[Odyessus]

Em, how did they get it after the 1840's genocide when the landed gentry of our "great neighbour" still owned the land? Did you ever hear of the Land Comission? I think I remember hearing that they divided the land up among the "Irish People" back in the mid 20th centuary.

.....they divided the land up among the "Irish People"...

Er, some of the Irish people.

[Cael]

"Ordinary people can build ordinary houses and lead respectable lives in peace"? So now it is the farmers fault that "ordinary people" can't get houses and live their lives??? What particular shade of **************************************** are you talking? Who bought the land to build the over inflated house to sell to the "ordinary people"? Yes.....the developer. If the developer was willing to pay idiotic prices for land then pass the cost onto the buyer then it's his problem. It's called commerce. Happens everyday. Lifes not fair.

Its also called supply and demand. If there is a demand for homes, roads, factories, etc. and a tiny group are hoarding all the land, then that tiny group can inflict whatever prices they like - half a million an acre near country towns in 2006 - and the developer has no choice but to pay it and transfer the price to the home buyer (though most of the big developers are landowners themselves and are in the same guilty boat as the greedy parasite farmers.)

[jimmyjames]

Er, some of the Irish people.

So what do you want? A communist state? That'll work.

[Cael]

Well I have to say I wasn't aware of that. But what were the genocide victims going to do with the land anyway? Might as well have someone working it.

Michael Davitt wanted the big estates to be nationalized for the benefit of the whole population, not a select few, but the grabbers had lots of influence in the Irish Parliamentary Party and Davitt and the Irish people were shafted.

[jimmyjames]

Its also called supply and demand. If there is a demand for homes, roads, factories, etc. and a tiny group are hoarding all the land, then that tiny group can inflict whatever prices they like - half a million an acre near country towns in 2006 - and the developer has no choice but to pay it and transfer the price to the home buyer (though most of the big developers are landowners themselves and are in the same guilty boat as the greedy parasite farmers.)

Yes, I agree. I know of people who made a lot of money over the last 10 years from land around country towns and villages. The developer wasn't paying over the odds and then building houses for people out of the goodness of his heart. He was in if for P R O F I T. Yes that terrible word. What are you going to do about it? Tap away on your keyboard and think you'll make a difference? Hope that someone in power will read your posts? Ain't going to happen. Neither is your happy clappy land where everyone has a house on 5 acres and grows all their own veg.
It's capitalism, it's not perfect, it's broken, it's not fair, but get on with it.