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About LinkBacksi think cannabis should be legalised. I would have reservations about any 'hard' drugs being legalised like cocaine, heroin etc...
But would the smoking ban impinge on the legalisation of cannabis?
i think cannabis should be legalised. I would have reservations about any 'hard' drugs being legalised like cocaine, heroin etc...
But would the smoking ban impinge on the legalisation of cannabis?
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You still appear to be missing the simple point that street ecstasy is not MDMA (as I previously explained to you) and therefore studies based upon subjects who self-report usage (to an unknown degree of accuracy) of unidentified substances cannot be then applied to state a definitive effect of a particular substance.Originally Posted by Almanac
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I don't particularly see how the term is misused but I dont particularly want to hijack this thread either!
As you said, the term defines utilising pharmaceuticals to either identify pathology within the brain or rectify it.
Therefore it has no meaning as misused in the sentence quoted.
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I know im going to regret posting this ( puts on tin hat.!)
But anyone that "does drugs" is funding the dirty rotten scummers that are at this very moment in time brutally killing and butchering each other for the local Tuft.
Now im sorry .But I cannot and never could not see the great draw to getting out of your head on chemicals.
Im not some good ole Holy Mary .. Yes ive smoked a joint (ohh and i enhaled )
It never did anything for me. What drives me up the wall is the gang culture that goes hand in hand with the drug culture.
And the naysayers that say well Fags and Drinks are Leagle.
Well forgive me but i dont think im Superwoman when i Smoke of drink.
Can you imagine the havoc on society if it was legal to smoke crack cocaine.?
How would the most addictive substance know to man(or so im told) be some how controlled.?
I dont have any answers but i do despair not at the killings but at such ease lives are wiped out.
yes, but can the adjective not refer to the clinical effects (ie. damage) of a psychotropic drug on brain structures involved in its mode of action.....?
Anyway, enough pedantics....
That word would be 'neurological'. I agree though, enough off-topic.
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You are misreading the studies, I think. Your criticisms really only apply to the fourth study. The Trinity College study is not a longitudinal study. Dr Thomas is merely making a comment on the already known consequences of the type of damage inflicted on 5-HT neurons. And the second study still demonstrates damaging effects, even excluding the longitudinal findings.
Also bear in mind the corrobatory evidence from animal studies (who receive MDMA):
[FONT=Verdana][/FONT][FONT=Verdana]"repeated doses of MDMA cause serotonergic neurotoxicity in laboratory animals, and there is extensive evidence for long-term neuropsychopharmacological damage in humans." He notes that even after stopping their use of [FONT=Verdana]the[/FONT] drug, regular Ecstasy users "often display reduced levels of 5-HT, 5-HIAA, tryptophan hydroxylase and serotonin transporter density," all evidence of impaired serotonin system function. In addition, he says, studies of Ecstasy users show deficits in learning and memory, higher cognitive processing, sleep, appetite, psychiatric well-being, and sexual desire. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]If the damage is similar and the symptoms in humans correlate with what one would expect from that kind of damage then, while not watertight, the case is convincing even if in longitudinal studies controls over the quality of MDMA ingested are not used.[/FONT]
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The Trinity study, as you summarise it, at best exaggerates, and at worst misrepresents a causal link between serotonin production and clinical depression.
Another study you cited was apparently done by a Chinese quack nutritionist. The rest are flawed due to their reliance on self-reporting street usage for data.
Monkeys aren't people, and animal studies do not easily map onto human experiences.
And for the reason above, it is not safe to make those assumptions.
Look, let me make it easy for both of us, because I'm not going to spend all night rebutting every single result you get when you type 'ecstasy is evil: research' into google.
I suspect that prolonged use of MDMA is neurotoxic in ways that are primarily reversible through abstinence, but in some cases and in relation to certain cognitive effects, may not be entirely reversible.
However, that's what happens when you take a psychoactive substance. And people do, in their millions every weekend of every year, and have done for a long time. And those people injure themselves and others less than alcohol users, die much, much less often as a result of their drug use than drinkers and tobacco smokers and cause much less social ills and discomfort than either.
It remains risible that some of those substances are legal, and have dire and well-chronicled social, physiological, psychological and mental results on large numbers of people, while other safer substances are proscribed.
It remains even more ridiculous that vast resources are futilely expended on fighting a 'war' against these substances which merely fuels the funding of both crime and punishment industries.
The logical answer is to legalise and limit access to consenting adults, thereby cutting off the funding of crime, increasing harm reduction, saving billions in resources, and ending the criminalisation of people whose only offence is to prefer a different intoxicant to those freely permitted and taxed by the current prohibitionist system.
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fellas,
drugs are freely available retail nationwide (I'm not talking about booze, fags, or the multitude of synthetic products available).
They call it 'aromatic herbal incense', but it ain't like any incense I've ever come accross. Fact is it's stronger than most cannabis hybrids but it has no THC. It's cheap, non-addictive, hell it even smells nice!!
I wonder how long before it's banned.
without condoning or condemning
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