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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    It's always good to actually read the posts before responding.
    Seriously, the top of the last page features you wittering about someone else's family in a highly speculative manner.
    Go look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    It's always good to actually read the posts before responding.
    Seriously, the top of the page features you wittering about someone else's family in a highly speculative manner.
    Go look.
    Still waiting for you to demonstrate how MDMA is more neurotoxic than cocaine or amphetamines, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    And the reason why most, if not all of that research is fatally flawed is laid out below. But to summarise, they're not actually testing the effects of MDMA.
    (As proven here: EcstasyData.org: Ecstasy Lab Testing & Analysis Results - Ecstasy Pill Reports)



    Taken from here: http://www.tdpf.org.uk/Transform%20A...submission.pdf
    They are controlled studies. There are various ways of controlling for variables including by testing for purity or by comparison with users using other kinds of drugs and/or factoring in the effects of adulterants. If there are effects not seen with other drugs, then it is probable that the drug in question is responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    They are controlled studies. There are various ways of controlling for variables including by testing for purity or by comparison with users using other kinds of drugs and/or factoring in the effects of adulterants. If there are effects not seen with other drugs, then it is probable that the drug in question is responsible.
    That doesn't apply to the longitudinal studies you cited.
    Wanna try again?
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    Originally Posted by myksav
    Extract the caffiene content from an average cup of coffee, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.
    Extract the nicotine content from a single cigarette, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.

    Very few, if any, narcotics will kill you instantly. Not even neuro-toxins do that. It takes time to effect a body.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaBrow View Post
    It depends how big the syringe is and the amount of Caffeine, a single tablet of this won't kill you............... but 6-8 esspressos will poison you. 300 - 400 Milligrams would cause this to happen


    Nutrition Action Healthletter - Caffeine: Caffeine Content of Foods and Drugs Chart

    Cigarettes have a trace rocket fuel in them, which to anyones guess would cause alot more damage. Nicotine over 2-4mg would be very strong through the skin, as for the blood stream it increases the pressure which if it doesn't kill you immediately (unlikely) wouldn't help you either.

    Dreaded Estate, I can only say that I wouldn't like to discuss what he took but it was in the category (Physical Harm 2, Dependency 2)

    Re-read my post. Extracting the drug content gives you the pure drug. Pure caffiene or nicotine, in the amounts that are in the average consumption unit, are lethally toxic when injected directly into the bloodstream. Nothing mentioned of ingestion by tablet/pill.

    That "trace of rocket fuel" doesn't count as it wouldn't be in the pure extract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    What do you mean by a "narcotic"? Do you mean an opiate based drug or an illegal drug more generally?

    Many narcotics (illegal drugs) are neurotoxic including opiates, ecstacy, amphetamines, barbiturates, cocaine, ketamine and others.
    My meaning is any drug that which has a physical or psychological effect. Older, broader usage. Even coffee is a narcotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almanac View Post
    Try the top of this page.
    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    The top of this page has you wittering in a speculative manner about someone who you do not know's family under hypothetical circumstances.
    (The post that appears at the top of a page depends on the number of posts-per-page that a user has selected in his or her set-up options. Referring to posts by number (found at the top right of a post), or linking (ditto) will make things clearer.)

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    For anyone familiar with Torrent downloads, there is a good BBC Documentary availible for download:
    "If Drugs Were Legal [BBC Documentary]".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    For anyone familiar with Torrent downloads, there is a good BBC Documentary availible for download:
    "If Drugs Were Legal [BBC Documentary]".
    It's worth pointing out that it's not a documentary but a fictionalised depiction of a future Britain with a policy of blanket legality for most intoxicants.
    It is followed by a debate hosted by Jeremy Paxman in which Transform Drug Policy's Danny Kushlick wipes the floor with Keith Halliwell, Britain's moronic former Drugs Tsar.
    I'd suggest the debate is more interesting to watch than the drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    It's worth pointing out that it's not a documentary but a fictionalised depiction of a future Britain with a policy of blanket legality for most intoxicants.
    It is followed by a debate hosted by Jeremy Paxman in which Transform Drug Policy's Danny Kushlick wipes the floor with Keith Halliwell, Britain's moronic former Drugs Tsar.
    I'd suggest the debate is more interesting to watch than the drama.

    Yes, the debate comes with the Drama torrent, two seperate AVI files in the one folder.

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