Legalize Drugs & Solve the Depression

[Dreaded_Estate]

I think legislation and heavy regulation is the only solution.

Regardless of your views the war on drugs is simply unwinnable. The use of drugs around the world, and in Ireland, is so prevalent and ingrained in human culture that you will never remove the demand. And where there is demand and money to be made you are never going to be able to remove the supply.

The illicit drugs business is the second largest industry in the world. The notion that we can win this war is just crazy and handing the 2nd largest industry in the world to criminals is even crazier.

Da Brow I'm sorry to hear about your cousin but I would say that they would have been less likely to have died if drugs were legal and controlled by the state rather than by criminals.

[DaBrow]

Perhaps you're getting neg-repped becuase your arguments aren't very good. I'll just reiterate my main point again:

[COLOR=darkred]Until you disentangle cause (drug criminalisation) and effect (drug cartels, corruption, violence, poor quality) then you will be completely lost in this argument.[/COLOR]

Until there is a reason, I will just abstain from this................... because I believe that I'm being targeted unfairly!

Maybe the route of my arguement is this:

Drug Usage leads to Erratic/Dangerous Behaviour + Physical and Mental Health Damage, which as consequence results in outlawing these substances and declaring them illegal so no good citizen can be harmed, in turn be protected by the state.

Most basic explanation available

[DaBrow]

I think legislation and heavy regulation is the only solution.

Regardless of your views the war on drugs is simply unwinnable. The use of drugs around the world, and in Ireland, is so prevalent and ingrained in human culture that you will never remove the demand. And where there is demand and money to be made you are never going to be able to remove the supply.

The illicit drugs business is the second largest industry in the world. The notion that we can win this war is just crazy and handing the 2nd largest industry in the world to criminals is even crazier.

Da Brow I'm sorry to hear about your cousin but I would say that they would have been less likely to have died if drugs were legal and controlled by the state rather than by criminals.

Thank you for your kind words, but it cannot be regulated and even if it was legalised it would be abused and contain more corruption than what is already present now that it is illegal.

I never thought I would be neg repped just for justifiably aguing against this practise, there are many if not the vast majority of people whom feel the same way and someone has to speak for them

[Dreaded_Estate]

Thank you for your kind words, but it cannot be regulated and even if it was legalised it would be abused and contain more corruption than what is already present now that it is illegal.

I never thought I would be neg repped just for justifiably aguing against this practise, there are many if not the vast majority of people whom feel the same way and someone has to speak for them

I don't understand why you think it cannot be regulated.
Alcohol and tobacco are legal and regulated and we have very little crime associated with the distribution or production of alcohol or tobacco.
The only time we have had crime related to the distribution and production of alcohol was during the 1930's in America when it was illegal.

Do you mind me asking what your cousin dies from and what drug he was using?

[Wakeupcall]

Robbers also like to perform their "business" peacefully, its only when an interfering house owner who is wrongly defending their house and possessions when the theif has to beat them senseless or kill them.........................................

Don't make me laugh! Are you saying that crime is acceptable? I can tell that you aren't a garda, your way of thinking is very disturbing!



Pablo Escobar; Drug Dealer and one-time congressman in Colombia.................... like most Drug Traffickers don't follow what you believe is a peacful means of operating.

He routinely executed anyone whom he believed stole from him, in front friends and family if he thought was necessary.

He also planted a bomb on an Aircraft killing everyone on board..........................

He ordered the Murder of the newly elected President in 1989 at a political rally.............. to intimidate any opposition

He funded the M-19 Attack on the Supreme Court that left over 50 people dead in 1985 after he was kicked out of politics for being a suspected criminal.

He planted a bomb at the DAS (Adminstrative Department of Security) building when he wasn't even at the prime of his villany

Not to mention he was a paedophile who liked little girls under 15............................ even his wife!

So please tell me what is respectable or admirable about almost all drug barons that aspire to be like him?








Besides Alcohol and Tobacco make damage over a longer period of time............................................ One drink of spirits won't cause liver damage and a single cigarette won't give you cancer!

Listen crazy man. Nobody (I think) wants to see heroin or cocaine legalized. That would be bad. Cannabis would be a beautiful little saver and earner all at the same time whilst being true to our "green" image... Follow the green unlike our public finances...

[stringjack]

No, I'm just saying drug production, distribution, possesion and use isn't a crime.

For the sake of clarity, can we agree that (for certain drugs) it is a crime, but shouldn't be?

[20000miles]

Is a crime "something the State says is a punishable offense"? I have no problem agreeing with that then.

[stringjack]

Is a crime "something the State says is a punishable offense"? I have no problem agreeing with that then.

Yes. The alternative just gets confusing.

[myksav]

1. Drugs are more likely to kill you instantly than a shot of caffeine, you don't have be a genius to work that out!

Extract the caffiene content from an average cup of coffee, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.
Extract the nicotine content from a single cigarette, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.

Very few, if any, narcotics will kill you instantly. Not even neuro-toxins do that. It takes time to effect a body.

If you take enough of anything, it will kill you.

[DaBrow]

Extract the caffiene content from an average cup of coffee, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.
Extract the nicotine content from a single cigarette, put in syringe and inject directly into bloodstream. You're dead.

Very few, if any, narcotics will kill you instantly. Not even neuro-toxins do that. It takes time to effect a body.

If you take enough of anything, it will kill you.

It depends how big the syringe is and the amount of Caffeine, a single tablet of this won't kill you............... but 6-8 esspressos will poison you. 300 - 400 Milligrams would cause this to happen


Nutrition Action Healthletter - Caffeine: Caffeine Content of Foods and Drugs Chart

Cigarettes have a trace rocket fuel in them, which to anyones guess would cause alot more damage. Nicotine over 2-4mg would be very strong through the skin, as for the blood stream it increases the pressure which if it doesn't kill you immediately (unlikely) wouldn't help you either.

Dreaded Estate, I can only say that I wouldn't like to discuss what he took but it was in the category (Physical Harm 2, Dependency 2)