Are you sure you're not just having a particularly pleasant trip?Originally Posted by Wakeupcall
I even smoke one before a night of footy and it helps concentration. I could hit the corner flags with my shots without the stuff but its goals all the way while high and great fun while running rings around people who are not stoned or ever get stoned
Back of a fagbox calc:
- 4 mil people in ireland, 10% smoke €100 of cannabis a month, 50% of which goes directly/indirectly to tax gives the guts of a quarter of a billion.
Thats a fair widening of the tax take right there.
Add to that the increased tourism and your on to a fair boost.
Then add to that the money you no longer spend on enforcement and you have to ask why this has not at least been officially considered yet...
You dont trip on cannabis, unless its the kind that our children smoke, filled with silicone and melted vinyl records added by the criminals supplying it for weight and profits.
I get it from a home grower so I know it is 100% clean.
I know that 99% of people including our children are smoking complete and utter tripe that is killing them. We dont know what the criminals are putting into cannabis in this country. Maybe they put small amounts of cocaine in with it to get the users hooked?
We need to control this drug and tax it.
You mean your actual children or our collective children?
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Yes Wakeupcall, and so much more than an entertaining thread (which it is too) I look forward to going back over that thread and selecting some of its vital components and making some presentation out of it. Would beat the crap out of 95% of the MSM shoit. Watch the sunday world cringe
I dont have children yet but I have 2 brothers aged 12 and 13. I hear the stories from secondary school because they talk to me because they know it doesn't go past me. I never mentioned the stuff to them but they started asking me about it due to so many children smoking it in secondary school. I advised strongly against it and didn't reveal to them that I smoke it.
If you have children in secondary school, heed my words if you care for their health. Cannabis is rife through this age group and up. I never heard of the stuff at that age myself so times have changed and I am only 25. It just goes to show how blind some of you are. This shoite these kids are smoking is a mixture of all kinds of harmful stuff, poisin. Its not really cannabis and our curious kids are seriously damaging their health with their own curiosity because our "adults" stupidity and backwater hellhole thinking.
The evidence is out there.
Bottom line... the proof is that legalize it and see consumption drop and less health issues. Proven FACT!
At This School, It’s Marijuana in Every Class
By TAMAR LEWIN
Published: November 28, 2009
SOUTHFIELD, Mich. — At most colleges, marijuana is very much an extracurricular matter. But at Med Grow Cannabis College, marijuana is the curriculum: the history, the horticulture and the legal how-to’s of Michigan’s new medical marijuana program.
Fabrizio Costantini for The New York Times
Marijuana plants at Med Grow, in a Detroit suburb. Michigan has registered about 2,400 “caregivers” to grow marijuana. More Photos >
“This state needs jobs, and we think medical marijuana can stimulate the state economy with hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars,” said Nick Tennant, the 24-year-old founder of the college, which is actually a burgeoning business (no baccalaureates here) operating from a few bare-bones rooms in a Detroit suburb.
The six-week, $485 primer on medical marijuana is a cross between an agricultural extension class covering the growing cycle, nutrients and light requirements (“It’s harvest time when half the trichomes have turned amber and half are white”) and a gathering of serious potheads, sharing stories of their best highs (“Smoke that and you are ... medicated!”).
The only required reading: “Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower’s Bible” by Jorge Cervantes.
Even though the business of growing medical marijuana is legal under Michigan’s new law, there is enough nervousness about the enterprise that most students at a recent class did not want their names or photographs used. An instructor also asked not to be identified.
“My wife works for the government,” one student said, “and I told my mother-in-law I was going to a small-business class.”
While California’s medical marijuana program, the country’s oldest, is now big business, with hundreds of dispensaries in Los Angeles alone, the Michigan program, which started in April, is more representative of what is happening in other states that have legalized medical marijuana.
Under the Michigan law, patients whose doctors certify their medical need for marijuana can grow up to 12 cannabis plants themselves or name a “caregiver” who will grow the plants and sell the product. Anyone over 21 with no felony drug convictions can be a caregiver for up to five patients. So far, the Department of Community Health has registered about 5,800 patients and 2,400 caregivers.
For Mr. Tennant, who is certified as both a caregiver and a patient — he said he has stomach problems and anxiety — Med Grow replaces the auto detailing business he started straight out of high school, only to see it founder when the economy contracted. Med Grow began offering its course in September, with new classes starting every month.
On a recent Tuesday, two teachers led a four-hour class, starting with Todd Alton, a botanist who provided no tasting samples as he talked the students through a list of cannabis recipes, including crockpot cannabutter, chocolate canna-ganache and greenies (the cannabis alternative to brownies).
The second instructor, who would not give his name, took the class through the growing cycle, the harvest and the curing techniques to increase marijuana’s potency.
Mr. Tennant said he saw the school as the hub of a larger business that will sell supplies to its graduate medical marijuana growers, offer workshops and provide a network for both patient and caregiver referrals. Already, Med Grow is a gathering place for those interested in medical marijuana. The whiteboard in the reception room lists names and numbers of several patients looking for caregivers, and a caregiver looking for patients.
The students are a diverse group: white and black, some in their 20s, some much older, some employed, some not. Some keep their class attendance, and their growing plans, close to the chest.
“I’ve just told a couple of people I can trust,” said Jeffery Butler, 27. “It’s a business opportunity, but some people are still going to look at you funny. But I’m going to do it anyway.”
Scott Austin, an unemployed 41-year-old student, said he and two partners were planning to go into medical marijuana together.
“I never smoked marijuana in my life,” he said. “I heard about this at a business expo a couple of months ago.”
Because the Michigan program is so new, gray areas in the law have not been tested, creating real concern for some students. For example, it is not legal to start growing marijuana before being officially named a caregiver to a certified patient, but patients who are sick, certified and ready to buy marijuana generally do not want to wait through the months of the growing cycle until a crop is ready. So for the time being, coordinating entry into the business feels to some like a kind of Catch-22.
Students say they are getting all kinds of extra help and ideas from going to class.
“I want to learn all the little tricks, everything I can,” said Sue Maxwell, a student who drives each week from her home four hours north of Detroit. “It’s a big investment, and I want to do it right.”
Ms. Maxwell, who works at a bakery, is already a caregiver — in the old, nondrug sense of the word — to a few older people for whom she thinks medical marijuana might be a real boon.
“I fix their meals, and I help with housekeeping,” Ms. Maxwell said. “I have an 85-year-old lady who has no appetite. I don’t know if she’d have any interest in medical marijuana, but I bet it would help her.”
Ms. Maxwell said her plan to grow marijuana was slow in hatching.
“We were talking at the bakery all summer,” she said. “Just joking around, I said: ‘I’m going to grow medical marijuana. I’m a gardener, I’ve always dreamed of having a greenhouse, I think it would be great.’ And then I suddenly thought, hey, I really am going to grow medical marijuana.”
from todays nyt
"If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'
This could not be emphasised strongly enough that criminalisation has got so many negative aspects to it that it is completely insane to keep cannabis illegal!
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Czech Republic Decriminalizes Cultivation Of Marijuana Starting Jan. 1
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By Steve Elliott in Global, Growing, Legislation Tuesday, Dec. 8 2009 @ 1:50PM
Photo: Psychonaught
Five of these? Yes, please. (Super Silver Haze sativa/indica hybrid)
The government of the Czech Republic in eastern Europe will allow ordinary citizens to grow up to five marijuana plants starting Jan. 1, 2010.
The cabinet of Prime Minister Jan Fischer defined "personal use" amounts of cannabis and other drugs, clarifying the nation's new penal code that will decriminalize cultivation and possession of pot.
While marijuana will remain technically illegal, possession will be punished only with fines comparable to those imposed for parking tickets, Sean Carney at the Wall Street Journal reports.
What constituted "small amounts" for personal use was previously undefined. Police and the courts loosely interpreted the laws on a case by case basis, often resulting in home marijuana growers being jailed.
Photo: Reality Catcher
This is what 15 grams of pot looks like. If you have this much or less, you won't have to Czech yourself, starting Jan. 1.
According to the Justice Ministry's additional proposed rules, which according to Czech newspaper České Noviny are not yet formally approved, the possession of up to 15 grams (just over half an ounce) of dried marijuana will no longer be a criminal offense. Individuals will be also allowed to possess up to five grams of hashish without being prosecuted.
If the government accepts the ministry's proposed rules in two weeks, those having more than 15 grams of marijuana or five grams of hash could still face up to one year in prison.
Also allowed under section of the new rules already approved will be cultivation of up to five coca plants and five mescaline cactus. Up to 40 psilocybin "magic" mushrooms may be kept at home, according to the approved rules.
Even harder drugs are included in the decrim plan. According to a section of the proposal not yet officially approved, up to two grams of methamphetamine, cocaine and heroin will also be decriminalized. Possession of up to four Ecstasy tables won't be criminally punished.
Approval of a table specifying specific amounts of drugs is part of the country's new penal code, approved last year by both houses of Parliament and signed into law this year by President Vaclav Klaus.
Photo: Chmee2
Burning one down in the Czech Republic. Hempiest heads in Europe?
Czechs are not only Europe's heaviest beer drinkers (320 pints per person per year), according to the Wall Street Journal; they may also be the continent's biggest potheads.
Almost one of four, 22 percent, of Czechs between 16 and 34 smoke marijuana at least once a year, according to a 2005 report by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction.
Although the medical marijuana issue is gaining prominence in Europe and worldwide, the Czech Republic still doesn't recognize medical use of the herb. However, a Czech non-profit group in September opened the nation's first marijuana dispensary in Prague, despite there being no medical marijuana laws on the books.
The grand opening of the dispensary was attended by Prague's mayor, Dr. Pavel Bern, who is also a physician and proponent of responsible marijuana use.
Some Czech courts have occasionally made exemptions to current law to allow for medical use and cultivation of cannabis, but without supporting legislation such rules remain in limbo.
"If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'
Good on the czech's for increasing the peoples freedom and adding to their human rights by removing criminality and paranoia from a perfectly natural and enjoyable plant.
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